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Post by bn12cny on Jan 25, 2019 5:56:52 GMT
Quick question: Where did the 9H RMS go to, in storage or sold? And have the 15H got Oyster Readers on it does the conductor have a portable machine to collect fares?
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 25, 2019 7:30:45 GMT
Quick question: Where did the 9H RMS go to, in storage or sold? And have the 15H got Oyster Readers on it does the conductor have a portable machine to collect fares? Most of the 9H Routemasters were sold to Henry Cooper Coaches in the North East of England. Most went into dealer stock and were sold on, but they kept hold of RM1562 for themselves. Tower Transit kept hold of RM1627 and RM1650 but neither have been used in any capacity for some time.
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Post by dennisplaxtonmpd on Jan 25, 2019 7:47:00 GMT
Quick question: Where did the 9H RMS go to, in storage or sold? And have the 15H got Oyster Readers on it does the conductor have a portable machine to collect fares? The conducter has a portable oyster card reader
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 25, 2019 9:19:52 GMT
Said this before - but personally I much prefer a good London area running day with RTs, RFs etc running as nature intended them as well as Routemasters. With the 15H, I doubt all ten will be kept when it’s reduced. The four restored buses, RM1933, 1941, 2060, 2089, I would think will be kept, maybe three or four others too. Would imagine two or three roadworthy RMs will be sold, plus long derelict RM1280. Make sure it doesn't clash with the first Dennis Dart and Trident running day, which must surely be on the horizon now
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 20:36:42 GMT
Seen this on another group! content.tfl.gov.uk/changes-to-route-15-heritage-buses.pdfSeems its going ahead from 2nd March. Seems so pointless to have these buses sat around in garage for weeks on end doing nothing! can't see it doing them good in the long run. Would have rather the service was just withdrawn!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 25, 2019 20:49:29 GMT
Seen this on another group! content.tfl.gov.uk/changes-to-route-15-heritage-buses.pdfSeems its going ahead from 2nd March. Seems so pointless to have these buses sat around in garage for weeks on end doing nothing! can't see it doing them good in the long run. Would have rather the service was just withdrawn! The paper seems to say 30th of March, that could prove to be a very busy day with the contract changes taking place, the 88 extension and the running day! Although the 30th of March does mark the start of the summer season, so could be intentional.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 20:53:18 GMT
Seen this on another group! content.tfl.gov.uk/changes-to-route-15-heritage-buses.pdfSeems its going ahead from 2nd March. Seems so pointless to have these buses sat around in garage for weeks on end doing nothing! can't see it doing them good in the long run. Would have rather the service was just withdrawn! The paper seems to say 30th of March, that could prove to be a very busy day with the contract changes taking place, the 88 extension and the running day! Although the 30th of March does mark the start of the summer season, so could be intentional. I believe the last normal day will be Friday 1st March then a gap before the summer weekend service starts on the 30th.
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Post by lundnah on Jan 25, 2019 22:20:35 GMT
This line from the memorandum jumped out...
I look forward to TfL applying the same thinking to the cablecar - imagine the potential savings there!
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Post by rhys on Jan 25, 2019 22:22:25 GMT
Seen this on another group! content.tfl.gov.uk/changes-to-route-15-heritage-buses.pdfSeems its going ahead from 2nd March. Seems so pointless to have these buses sat around in garage for weeks on end doing nothing! can't see it doing them good in the long run. Would have rather the service was just withdrawn! The paper seems to say 30th of March, that could prove to be a very busy day with the contract changes taking place, the 88 extension and the running day! Although the 30th of March does mark the start of the summer season, so could be intentional. I suspect it's more to do with the 30th March being right before the start of a new financial year.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 25, 2019 22:36:56 GMT
Seen this on another group! content.tfl.gov.uk/changes-to-route-15-heritage-buses.pdfSeems its going ahead from 2nd March. Seems so pointless to have these buses sat around in garage for weeks on end doing nothing! can't see it doing them good in the long run. Would have rather the service was just withdrawn! Good grief someone is going to get the sack when TfL find out who leaked that paper - unless it was somehow released via FOI. The fact it's partly redacted suggests it might have emerged via FOI. What I find interesting is that you could write a reverse mirror image of that paper to justify retention of the Heritage route *if* the political mandate was present. I expect such a paper went to BSM to create the 9H and 15H back in 2005. The arguments put forward are mostly political and not economic despite the alleged £800k saving. I think that says it all really when it comes to the reasoning for this change. A classic political muddle. If TfL were serious they'd axe the route altogether but clearly it's viewed as too dangerous to contemplate now. Just wait until after May 2020 - it'll be gone within weeks of the Mayoral election.
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Post by PaulH on Jan 25, 2019 23:14:35 GMT
Seen this on another group! content.tfl.gov.uk/changes-to-route-15-heritage-buses.pdfSeems its going ahead from 2nd March. Seems so pointless to have these buses sat around in garage for weeks on end doing nothing! can't see it doing them good in the long run. Would have rather the service was just withdrawn! Good grief someone is going to get the sack when TfL find out who leaked that paper - unless it was somehow released via FOI. The fact it's partly redacted suggests it might have emerged via FOI. What I find interesting is that you could write a reverse mirror image of that paper to justify retention of the Heritage route *if* the political mandate was present. I expect such a paper went to BSM to create the 9H and 15H back in 2005. The arguments put forward are mostly political and not economic despite the alleged £800k saving. I think that says it all really when it comes to the reasoning for this change. A classic political muddle. If TfL were serious they'd axe the route altogether but clearly it's viewed as too dangerous to contemplate now. Just wait until after May 2020 - it'll be gone within weeks of the Mayoral election. It's actually posted on the TfL website in the 'Permanent Bus Changes' section.
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Post by busaholic on Jan 25, 2019 23:20:03 GMT
If I was a betting person, I'd lay one that the 15H won't reappear after this September, at which time any remaining specialist crew will be made redundant.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 26, 2019 0:24:01 GMT
Good grief someone is going to get the sack when TfL find out who leaked that paper - unless it was somehow released via FOI. The fact it's partly redacted suggests it might have emerged via FOI. What I find interesting is that you could write a reverse mirror image of that paper to justify retention of the Heritage route *if* the political mandate was present. I expect such a paper went to BSM to create the 9H and 15H back in 2005. The arguments put forward are mostly political and not economic despite the alleged £800k saving. I think that says it all really when it comes to the reasoning for this change. A classic political muddle. If TfL were serious they'd axe the route altogether but clearly it's viewed as too dangerous to contemplate now. Just wait until after May 2020 - it'll be gone within weeks of the Mayoral election. It's actually posted on the TfL website in the 'Permanent Bus Changes' section. I'm astonished that BSM paper has appeared there. Is there no one left at TfL would can string a few simply worded paragraphs together to explain the change? What a mess. Perhaps we should demand that BSM papers be published for every change now that TfL themselves have established the precedent?
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Post by marlon101 on Jan 26, 2019 9:32:32 GMT
I think my favourite line was this one:
Both boroughs expressed their beliefs that the reduction in service will contribute to a reduction in congestion and emissions in central London."
Quite a traffic jam, 3BPH creates! What Tower Hamlets and Westminster would make of the Oxford Street scheduling, goodness only knows!
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 26, 2019 11:20:25 GMT
I think my favourite line was this one: Both boroughs expressed their beliefs that the reduction in service will contribute to a reduction in congestion and emissions in central London." Quite a traffic jam, 3BPH creates! What Tower Hamlets and Westminster would make of the Oxford Street scheduling, goodness only knows![/quoter] "Reduce emissions" What next close down all the curry houses in London? Pie charts and tick boxes the new hammers to crack anything(Rant over)
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