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Post by sid on Apr 9, 2019 15:10:21 GMT
I have been hearing today about a TfL plan to make LTs/NBfL front entry only, with alighting at middle and rear. Routes would be converted one at a time with buses losing the oyster readers by the middle and rear doors overnight. Been told by a reliable source that the first route will be converted in June. I would have thought the 87 would have been a good place to start being a new LT route.
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Post by M1104 on Apr 9, 2019 16:27:02 GMT
I would have thought the 87 would have been a good place to start being a new LT route. The 267 would be a better route to start on as it's the only LT route at its home depot, therefore no chances of intermixing with other Boris's that still require oyster readers for the other two doors.
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Post by routew15 on Apr 9, 2019 17:16:41 GMT
If this is going ahead would it not be good to have a test vehicle on the route to see how passengers behave with the new arrangement, instead of hard assumptions full route will work.
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Post by M1104 on Apr 9, 2019 17:26:27 GMT
If this is going ahead would it not be good to have a test vehicle on the route to see how passengers behave with the new arrangement, instead of hard assumptions full route will work. That may end up being confusing having two sets of operation with the same bus type on the same route. Appearantly the route to be converted in June will be the test route.
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Post by sid on Apr 9, 2019 17:30:57 GMT
If this is going ahead would it not be good to have a test vehicle on the route to see how passengers behave with the new arrangement, instead of hard assumptions full route will work. Wouldn't that just cause more confusion? I think some publicity and prominent no entry signs on the rear and centre doors should do the trick. Is there any word on whether the controls will be altered so that the driver can just open the front door?
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Post by vjaska on Apr 9, 2019 18:09:57 GMT
If this is going ahead would it not be good to have a test vehicle on the route to see how passengers behave with the new arrangement, instead of hard assumptions full route will work. Wouldn't that just cause more confusion? I think some publicity and prominent no entry signs on the rear and centre doors should do the trick. Is there any word on whether the controls will be altered so that the driver can just open the front door? Publicity most definitely would be needed but I don’t think signs will do anything as people these days are very good at ignoring signs and this is coming from experience.
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Post by M1104 on Apr 9, 2019 21:57:18 GMT
Is there any word on whether the controls will be altered so that the driver can just open the front door? If the drivers cannot already open the front doors independently then modifications would certainly be needed for the new arrangement.
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Post by ajw on Apr 30, 2019 4:28:26 GMT
I know I am coming into the conversation late, but this thread has given me great amusement seeing how the bendies that were replaced by these things were so infamous for fare evasion. Goes to show again and again they were nothing more than a way of stroking Borris's ego.
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Post by sid on Apr 30, 2019 5:36:53 GMT
I know I am coming into the conversation late, but this thread has given me great amusement seeing how the bendies that were replaced by these things koi were so infamous for fare evasion. Goes to show again and again they were nothing more than a way of stroking Borris's ego. Seriously, what was he supposed to do? He pledged a new bus for London and he delivered it despite all the murmurings from bus industry 'experts'. A politician actually doing what he pledged to do and still gets criticised for it! It was the current mayor who removed conductors.
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Post by bustavane on Apr 30, 2019 8:21:33 GMT
I know I am coming into the conversation late, but this thread has given me great amusement seeing how the bendies that were replaced by these things koi were so infamous for fare evasion. Goes to show again and again they were nothing more than a way of stroking Borris's ego. Seriously, what was he supposed to do? He pledged a new bus for London and he delivered it despite all the murmurings from bus industry 'experts'. A politician actually doing what he pledged to do and still gets criticised for it! It was the current mayor who removed conductors. He could have asked for a design which was better suited to London conditions. LTs are not cleared for so many routes, are excessively heavy because of a second staircase, have limited capacity and were over expensive. Just because a politician delivers on a bad promise is not a reason to celebrate!
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Post by sid on Apr 30, 2019 8:35:27 GMT
Seriously, what was he supposed to do? He pledged a new bus for London and he delivered it despite all the murmurings from bus industry 'experts'. A politician actually doing what he pledged to do and still gets criticised for it! It was the current mayor who removed conductors. He could have asked for a design which was better suited to London conditions. LTs are not cleared for so many routes, are excessively heavy because of a second staircase, have limited capacity and were over expensive. Just because a politician delivers on a bad promise is not a reason to celebrate! You might consider it to be a bad promise but clearly the electorate didn't. There are a few routes that aren't suitable for LT's because of their extra length just as with bendy buses so were they badly designed as well?
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Post by ronnie on Apr 30, 2019 9:15:39 GMT
He could have asked for a design which was better suited to London conditions. LTs are not cleared for so many routes, are excessively heavy because of a second staircase, have limited capacity and were over expensive. Just because a politician delivers on a bad promise is not a reason to celebrate! You might consider it to be a bad promise but clearly the electorate didn't. There are a few routes that aren't suitable for LT's because of their extra length just as with bendy buses so were they badly designed as well? Overall the LTs aren’t bad - once the over/heating issue is sorted out of course (that was a stupid oversight to be honest). They do look good although maybe efforts could have been better spent elsewhere
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Post by vjaska on Apr 30, 2019 9:46:35 GMT
You might consider it to be a bad promise but clearly the electorate didn't. There are a few routes that aren't suitable for LT's because of their extra length just as with bendy buses so were they badly designed as well? Overall the LTs aren’t bad - once the over/heating issue is sorted out of course (that was a stupid oversight to be honest). They do look good although maybe efforts could have been better spent elsewhere That issue hasn't been sorted - the windows fitted have done little to solve the heat issue as I experienced last summer on numerous examples but no doubt I will be told I'm wrong. I suspect why that it is because not only is the air cooling system inside hopeless but there seems to be a lot of heat radiating behind the wall panels in places.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 30, 2019 9:47:57 GMT
He could have asked for a design which was better suited to London conditions. LTs are not cleared for so many routes, are excessively heavy because of a second staircase, have limited capacity and were over expensive. Just because a politician delivers on a bad promise is not a reason to celebrate! You might consider it to be a bad promise but clearly the electorate didn't. There are a few routes that aren't suitable for LT's because of their extra length just as with bendy buses so were they badly designed as well? I don't think everyone voted for Boris because of the bus, pretty sure there would be a sizeable group who voted for him based on his other policies.
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Post by M1104 on Apr 30, 2019 10:16:41 GMT
I know I am coming into the conversation late, but this thread has given me great amusement seeing how the bendies that were replaced by these things koi were so infamous for fare evasion. Goes to show again and again they were nothing more than a way of stroking Borris's ego. Seriously, what was he supposed to do? He pledged a new bus for London and he delivered it despite all the murmurings from bus industry 'experts'. A politician actually doing what he pledged to do and still gets criticised for it! It was the current mayor who removed conductors. Those buses never had conductors[1] in the sense that they never collected fares nor issued tickets. The LTs therefore were no different than the Bendies regarding fare invasion. [1] - Customer Assistance was their title
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