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Post by sid on Apr 30, 2019 10:43:19 GMT
Seriously, what was he supposed to do? He pledged a new bus for London and he delivered it despite all the murmurings from bus industry 'experts'. A politician actually doing what he pledged to do and still gets criticised for it! It was the current mayor who removed conductors. Those buses never had conductors[1] in the sense that they never collected fares nor issued tickets. The LTs therefore were no different than the Bendies regarding fare invasion. [1] - Customer Assistance was their title They're no different now because the CA's have been abolished by the current mayor. Inevitably open boarding on any type of bus is going to result in fare evasion.
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Post by T.R. on Apr 30, 2019 13:32:07 GMT
And even then, as CAs we were discouraged from challenging fare evaders (since we never exactly carried ticket machines). Didn’t stop some of my former colleagues from getting into a few spats with freeloaders...
Fare evasion aside, it would be very unfortunate if they reverted to front boarding only, a lot of us on here can attest to the faster boarding in peak times.
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Post by sid on Apr 30, 2019 13:49:31 GMT
And even then, as CAs we were discouraged from challenging fare evaders (since we never exactly carried ticket machines). Didn’t stop some of my former colleagues from getting into a few spats with freeloaders... Fare evasion aside, it would be very unfortunate if they reverted to front boarding only, a lot of us on here can attest to the faster boarding in peak times. Aren't drivers and for that matter revenue inspectors also discouraged from challenging fare evaders? A friend of mine mentioned being on a 344 recently and two revenue inspectors got on. One male passenger had no ticket or oyster and admitted to having boarded through the rear door. He was asked to get off at the next stop, no threat of a penalty fare or prosecution. Boarding times obviously will be faster with open boarding, the inevitable loss of revenue is the counter argument, but if it is the preferred option why not have open boarding on two doored buses as well?
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Post by redbus on Apr 30, 2019 15:17:09 GMT
And even then, as CAs we were discouraged from challenging fare evaders (since we never exactly carried ticket machines). Didn’t stop some of my former colleagues from getting into a few spats with freeloaders... Fare evasion aside, it would be very unfortunate if they reverted to front boarding only, a lot of us on here can attest to the faster boarding in peak times. Aren't drivers and for that matter revenue inspectors also discouraged from challenging fare evaders? A friend of mine mentioned being on a 344 recently and two revenue inspectors got on. One male passenger had no ticket or oyster and admitted to having boarded through the rear door. He was asked to get off at the next stop, no threat of a penalty fare or prosecution. Boarding times obviously will be faster with open boarding, the inevitable loss of revenue is the counter argument, but if it is the preferred option why not have open boarding on two doored buses as well? If that is the attitude to those who have not paid their fare, it begs the question why anyone bothers to pay!!!! You need to have effective punishment for non payment if you want to protect the fare box and just ordering someone off the bus won't do it. The freeloaders will be laughing......all the way to the bank!
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Post by ronnie on Apr 30, 2019 21:27:31 GMT
And even then, as CAs we were discouraged from challenging fare evaders (since we never exactly carried ticket machines). Didn’t stop some of my former colleagues from getting into a few spats with freeloaders... Fare evasion aside, it would be very unfortunate if they reverted to front boarding only, a lot of us on here can attest to the faster boarding in peak times. Aren't drivers and for that matter revenue inspectors also discouraged from challenging fare evaders? A friend of mine mentioned being on a 344 recently and two revenue inspectors got on. One male passenger had no ticket or oyster and admitted to having boarded through the rear door. He was asked to get off at the next stop, no threat of a penalty fare or prosecution. Boarding times obviously will be faster with open boarding, the inevitable loss of revenue is the counter argument, but if it is the preferred option why not have open boarding on two doored buses as well? That’s quite unbelievable!
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Post by M1104 on Jul 12, 2019 20:55:10 GMT
It appears that the 8 will be the first LT route to convert to two door operation from August 9th, the rear door to no longer be used for boarding/alighting. The EL1, EL2 and EL3 are said to then follow.
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Post by george on Jul 12, 2019 21:01:03 GMT
It appears that the 8 will be the first LT route to convert to two door operation from August 9th, the rear door to no longer be used for boarding/alighting. The EL1, EL2 and EL3 are said to then follow. Interesting I thought the 148 was going to be the first route to chance
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Post by redexpress on Jul 12, 2019 21:16:22 GMT
It appears that the 8 will be the first LT route to convert to two door operation from August 9th, the rear door to no longer be used for boarding/alighting. The EL1, EL2 and EL3 are said to then follow. Wait, so the rear door won't be used at all? I'd have thought it would still be used for alighting. The rear staircase would be pretty pointless otherwise.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 12, 2019 21:23:50 GMT
There goes the single useful things about these buses Will be interesting to see how they manage this with garages with multiple LT routes. RR seem to enjoy mixing about their LTs on the 15 and ELT, so I wonder if the 15 and ELT will both be done at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 21:32:01 GMT
There goes the single useful things about these buses Will be interesting to see how they manage this with garages with multiple LT routes. RR seem to enjoy mixing about their LTs on the 15 and ELT, so I wonder if the 15 and ELT will both be done at the same time. Such a stupid change - The EL routes are so much better with LTs.
I bet this has 100% 0 publicity so how are the general public meant to know they can no longer board using the middle door.
Well done TfL.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 12, 2019 21:34:44 GMT
There goes the single useful things about these buses Will be interesting to see how they manage this with garages with multiple LT routes. RR seem to enjoy mixing about their LTs on the 15 and ELT, so I wonder if the 15 and ELT will both be done at the same time. Such a stupid change - The EL routes are so much better with LTs.
I bet this has 100% 0 publicity so how are the general public meant to know they can no longer board using the middle door.
Well done TfL. I imagine iBus announcements will soon pop up, had a load of nonsense spewing out the 205s one today about it running 24/7 and listing all the places it goes to. Although many people tend to zone them out. The LTs no matter how much I dislike them were wonderful for hoovering up the crowds, especially on the EL1, back to the days of buses not being able to leave Ilford until the one behind turns up
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 12, 2019 22:11:20 GMT
There did used to be a "you can board and alight through any door" so can now delete that and say you must touch in at the front of the bus.
Does seem a waste of a third door. Also probably marks the last attempt at open boarding in London thou i guess it will continue on the 507/521.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2019 22:21:15 GMT
Such a stupid change - The EL routes are so much better with LTs. I bet this has 100% 0 publicity so how are the general public meant to know they can no longer board using the middle door. Well done TfL. I imagine iBus announcements will soon pop up, had a load of nonsense spewing out the 205s one today about it running 24/7 and listing all the places it goes to. Although many people tend to zone them out. The LTs no matter how much I dislike them were wonderful for hoovering up the crowds, especially on the EL1, back to the days of buses not being able to leave Ilford until the one behind turns up Indeed, so that will be fun in Brixton now as LT's now dwell just as long as conventional buses thus making them completely pointless. Not to mention why bother having the rear staircase at all now. I wonder if the 3 will convert before the bus stop outside Iceland is removed because if so, that will cause a big headache especially when you factor in the increased 35 as well.
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Post by Lukeo on Jul 12, 2019 22:59:57 GMT
Surprised that this is actually happening... definitely renders the rear staircase useless :/ is this definitely going to happen to all LT routes? Or is this just a trial on route 8 for now?
edit I now see the rear door will still be used for alighting.
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Post by rhys on Jul 12, 2019 23:41:41 GMT
I imagine iBus announcements will soon pop up, had a load of nonsense spewing out the 205s one today about it running 24/7 and listing all the places it goes to. Although many people tend to zone them out. The LTs no matter how much I dislike them were wonderful for hoovering up the crowds, especially on the EL1, back to the days of buses not being able to leave Ilford until the one behind turns up Indeed, so that will be fun in Brixton now as LT's now dwell just as long as conventional buses thus making them completely pointless. Not to mention why bother having the rear staircase at all now. I wonder if the 3 will convert before the bus stop outside Iceland is removed because if so, that will cause a big headache especially when you factor in the increased 35 as well. I don't think the change would make the NRMs dwell as long as other conventional buses at stops. Having the two rear doors exclusively for exits will allow for a larger amount of passengers to exit the bus at one time, in busy traffic hotspots like Brixton Station, in comparison to conventional 2 door buses. Only the boarding process would be slowed down. I do wonder how the public will adapt to this. I can imagine people will still try to sneak on through the rear doors, after the change has been implemented across all 1000 NRMs. It's just a shame that so much money was spent on exclusive features for the NRM, only for those exclusive features to be undone in the years following.
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