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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 13, 2020 21:56:09 GMT
Kingston Wandsworth Clapham Junction
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Post by LT 20181 on Mar 14, 2020 17:17:18 GMT
Kingston Wandsworth Clapham Junction Kingston is a good shout as there’s two bus stations there - Fairfield and Cromwell Road. Maybe qualifiers for the two underneath “Kingston” would be more useful for those who are new there or for those who don’t know their way around.
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Post by paulo on Mar 14, 2020 18:49:45 GMT
Kingston Wandsworth Clapham Junction Kingston is a good shout as there’s two bus stations there - Fairfield and Cromwell Road. Maybe qualifiers for the two underneath “Kingston” would be more useful for those who are new there or for those who don’t know their way around. Bank.... which one?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Mar 20, 2020 0:06:52 GMT
In the example you quote, Barking Garage is not in the town centre so I would expect a qualifying point - I would also expect one for the 62 to Gascoigne Estate and the 368 to Hart's Lane. Brings us nicely onto that particular turn. The BK turn is not vague, but "Fair Cross" is just a useless blind. Many people don't even know where that is, and that doesn't even include the fact the blind is written wrong as it should be "Faircross". However now you have the issue you can't just use "Barking, Bus Garage" as Barking has three bus garages. Going back to the plain Barking description I agree it needs to be sorted. The 238 and 287 both used to display "Barking Station" back in the noughties with the 169, 179 and 87 using the plain "Barking" descriptor for the town centre. The general rule at the moment is any bus coming in from the North with a plain "Barking" display terminates at the town centre while any bus coming in from the South/West with a plain display terminates at the station. It's impossible to terminate at the station from the North, and if buses are terminating at the 169 stand from the south/west they use the "Barking, London Road" qualifier. Go Ahead now use "Barking Station" on their blinds and have instead abandoned the London Road qualifier, however Arriva and Stagecoach haven't jumped onto that particular bandwagon. That said the London Road stand shouldn't be an issue for too much longer as they're going to build a block of flats over it in a couple of years. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 169 sent to stand on Abbey Road so it can loop back around using North Street. Should this happen I imagine a "Barking Abbey" display will hopefully be used eliminating any confusion. Interestingly, the 366 when terminating in short in Barking displays "Barking London Road"
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Post by M1104 on Mar 20, 2020 11:31:30 GMT
For a brief period in the 90s the Metros on the 57 used to show 'Brixton Garage instead of 'Streatham Hill: Telford Avenue'.
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Post by LK65EBO on Mar 20, 2020 11:38:34 GMT
Kingston Uxbridge
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Post by BK15AZR on Mar 20, 2020 14:46:18 GMT
The "Cubitt Town" turn of the D7 is a bit vague...I'd get it as terminating at the Cubitt Town School stand but I've seen some serving one additional stop to Stewart Street and some one stop short and turn at Pier Street. Also I recall seeing the 135 turning at "Limehouse Burdett Road" but literally the route doesn't go to Burdett Road at all.
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Post by ajw on Mar 25, 2020 7:36:01 GMT
For the most part does it matter if the destinations are vague? Who would rock up to a bus stop without either knowing which bus to get, in which case the destination is just a direction, or if they didn’t know what bus to get the would consult a spider map, timetable or online route map to know specifically where the bus goes.
I know if the 4 years I lived in London the terminus meant nothing. I lived in Bayswater and could get 6 different buses each with a different destination (and stop).
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Post by redexpress on Mar 25, 2020 12:10:34 GMT
For the most part does it matter if the destinations are vague? Who would rock up to a bus stop without either knowing which bus to get, in which case the destination is just a direction, or if they didn’t know what bus to get the would consult a spider map, timetable or online route map to know specifically where the bus goes. I know if the 4 years I lived in London the terminus meant nothing. I lived in Bayswater and could get 6 different buses each with a different destination (and stop). It's not so much about knowing where the route normally goes, it's more to do with short workings / curtailments, where it is important to know how exactly far along the route the bus is terminating.
Further up the thread I mentioned the "211 Chelsea" example. A large segment of the route runs through Chelsea, so if you're going somewhere in Chelsea you'd need to know whether the curtailment point is before your destination or after it. Thankfully this particular example doesn't exist on more recent blindsets.
Of course in these situations people can always check with the driver, but surely it's easier to have the information on the blinds instead of having the driver answer the same question over and over again.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 2, 2020 10:45:02 GMT
Windmill Lane
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 16, 2020 20:15:04 GMT
Seven Stars Corner when the 266 ran to Hammersmith...how would anyone know where that is!
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Post by Busboy105 on Nov 16, 2020 20:52:27 GMT
Opposite of vague on this one. Why does the 141 have Palmers Green, North Circular Road on its blinds but the last stop is actually Tottenhall Road, (yes it does stop a couple of yards away but where else in Palmers Green would it terminate? The Triangle?).
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Post by redexpress on Nov 16, 2020 21:06:45 GMT
Opposite of vague on this one. Why does the 141 have Palmers Green, North Circular Road on its blinds but the last stop is actually Tottenhall Road, (yes it does stop a couple of yards away but where else in Palmers Green would it terminate? The Triangle?). For a bus terminating at AD from the South, it's important to have a qualifier to emphasise that it doesn't serve the main part of Palmers Green. "North Circular Road" is a good qualifier to use, given that most people know where the North Circular is, and won't expect the bus to take them any further north.
Not sure if the Triangle was ever a bus terminus (certainly hasn't been in the past couple of decades) but there is another terminus in Palmers Green at Hedge Lane, quite a long way away from the North Circular. Not served by the 141 of course, but the 329 and N29 do serve both Palmers Green termini so it is important to have a qualifier.
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Post by thesquirrels on Nov 16, 2020 21:13:35 GMT
Opposite of vague on this one. Why does the 141 have Palmers Green, North Circular Road on its blinds but the last stop is actually Tottenhall Road, (yes it does stop a couple of yards away but where else in Palmers Green would it terminate? The Triangle?). That terminus goes back to the days of sectional operation on the 29 - the 141 inherited the terminus name in the early 2000s. I think the terminus name is descriptive enough - the junction with the NCR is a local landmark. The Bowes Road upgrade work put the Clockhouse Junction name back on the map via new signage so they could even run with that. Equally, Tottenhall Road is a residential street running halfway back to Edmonton so Palmers Green (Tottenhall Road) would be no more informative than the current name. If TfL wanted to help itself it could rename the stop north of the A406 to Palmers Green Bus Garage and give the North Circular Road name to the stops to the south, where the 141 terminates and commences.
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Post by Busboy105 on Nov 16, 2020 21:38:10 GMT
Another vague destination I don’t understand is Claybury Broadway on the 128. Considering it’s a side street not even a main road considering that there are other roads with the name Broadway that are main roads ig West Hendon and Cricklewood. Maybe it could be renamed Clayhall, Claybury Broadway?
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