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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 9, 2019 20:52:51 GMT
Quoted from Londoner FB page
This is pathetic!
All thought go to those involved
No need for any of this 😥😡
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 9, 2019 20:53:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 21:19:28 GMT
Devastating news, but all too common in our city nowadays. This truly saddens me to the core, especially being so close to home, however the police and all other parties are doing the best job they can with so little funding so credit to them.
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 10, 2019 17:48:07 GMT
This is only in the news because there is a media hysteria surrounding stabbings at the moment. This sort of thing has been happening on buses for years - I was on a N29 where someone was stabbed and it happened on a few occasions back when I was at school 10-15 years ago.
Nevertheless it is saddening that this continues to happen and hopefully the issue being in the spotlight will contribute towards actions to disarm the perpetrators.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 17:59:22 GMT
This is only in the news because there is a media hysteria surrounding stabbings at the moment. This sort of thing has been happening on buses for years - I was on a N29 where someone was stabbed and it happened on a few occasions back when I was at school 10-15 years ago. Nevertheless it is saddening that this continues to happen and hopefully the issue being in the spotlight will contribute towards actions to disarm the perpetrators. I am sorry but its not media hysteria the stabbings are out of control now. It's a joke how many life's are being lost. |
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Post by sid on Mar 10, 2019 18:36:06 GMT
This is only in the news because there is a media hysteria surrounding stabbings at the moment. This sort of thing has been happening on buses for years - I was on a N29 where someone was stabbed and it happened on a few occasions back when I was at school 10-15 years ago. Nevertheless it is saddening that this continues to happen and hopefully the issue being in the spotlight will contribute towards actions to disarm the perpetrators. You're right, in the past this would have barely got a mention. I had a stabbing on my bus in Croydon in the 80's. I wasn't even aware of it until another passenger came and told me, fortunately the injuries were not life threatening and the victim went on to make a full recovery. I'm afraid the current situation is down to the general decline in discipline in society, hopefully somebody can do something about it before anymore young lives are needlessly lost. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 10, 2019 19:23:32 GMT
This is only in the news because there is a media hysteria surrounding stabbings at the moment. This sort of thing has been happening on buses for years - I was on a N29 where someone was stabbed and it happened on a few occasions back when I was at school 10-15 years ago. Nevertheless it is saddening that this continues to happen and hopefully the issue being in the spotlight will contribute towards actions to disarm the perpetrators. You're right, in the past this would have barely got a mention. I had a stabbing on my bus in Croydon in the 80's. I wasn't even aware of it until another passenger came and told me, fortunately the injuries were not life threatening and the victim went on to make a full recovery. I'm afraid the current situation is down to the general decline in discipline in society, hopefully somebody can do something about it before anymore young lives are needlessly lost. Decline of discipline is certainly a part of it but it isn't the sole reason - it's made up of a number of reasons. As well as that, we have less police, parents having less time due to holding down numerous jobs in order to pay for basic things like food, bills, etc, closure of important social facilities like youth clubs due to lack of funding, a certain image about police passed down through generations due to the police having a racist agenda during the 70's & 80's which resulted in riots, etc. Unless all these issues is solved, it will sadly only get worse. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 10, 2019 19:28:51 GMT
This is only in the news because there is a media hysteria surrounding stabbings at the moment. This sort of thing has been happening on buses for years - I was on a N29 where someone was stabbed and it happened on a few occasions back when I was at school 10-15 years ago. Nevertheless it is saddening that this continues to happen and hopefully the issue being in the spotlight will contribute towards actions to disarm the perpetrators. I am sorry but its not media hysteria the stabbings are out of control now. It's a joke how many life's are being lost. The media like to pick and choose and I think (not 100% sure) it's because it's spread to all sorts of different areas be they dominated by white or black, rich or poor - in years gone by, certain areas were stereotyped as being problem areas, mainly Hackney, Brixton & gun capital Harlesden. This sort of thing has been going on since probably the 80's before I was born except it was only reported on when certain areas were mentioned and only now through social media, is it actually widely been reported in other areas as well making it look like it's only a recent thing but I have my doubts on that. |
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Post by Frenzie on Mar 10, 2019 20:15:39 GMT
I think we need a three strikes rule in London. Enough is enough.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 10, 2019 20:22:18 GMT
This is only in the news because there is a media hysteria surrounding stabbings at the moment. This sort of thing has been happening on buses for years - I was on a N29 where someone was stabbed and it happened on a few occasions back when I was at school 10-15 years ago. Nevertheless it is saddening that this continues to happen and hopefully the issue being in the spotlight will contribute towards actions to disarm the perpetrators. I am sorry but its not media hysteria the stabbings are out of control now. It's a joke how many life's are being lost. I see part of what he is saying, there have been stabbings on buses over the years, same as Undeground, but they never make the news. Although with social media and internet now it is spread easily. Although there was not as much deaths a few years ago to stabbings as there is now. That is the problem. Everyone is always quick to blame the police and funding cuts, but in reality it is much more than that. Even if there was 50,000 more police on the streets from tomorrow, I cannot see this dropping down much at all. There is a lot of this to do with political correctness in society why we are in this position.
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Post by ronnie on Mar 10, 2019 20:52:27 GMT
I am sorry but its not media hysteria the stabbings are out of control now. It's a joke how many life's are being lost. I see part of what he is saying, there have been stabbings on buses over the years, same as Undeground, but they never make the news. Although with social media and internet now it is spread easily. Although there was not as much deaths a few years ago to stabbings as there is now. That is the problem. Everyone is always quick to blame the police and funding cuts, but in reality it is much more than that. Even if there was 50,000 more police on the streets from tomorrow, I cannot see this dropping down much at all. There is a lot of this to do with political correctness in society why we are in this position.
I agree. There’s a sense of lawlessness which wasn’t there even say 5 years back. Acid attacks, stabbings, moped snatchings seem to be getting worse. It all starts from the small things (no one adheres to speed limits for example because there are no cameras, people get emboldened as police don’t come, then gradually it becomes more serious). It’s a bit of a downward spiral and there doesn’t seem to be the political will at all to combat these. Tackling some of these crimes would take unpopular decisions / political “incorrectness” which is not going to happen in today’s environment. I reckon it will only get worse (and I am normally a big optimist) and something major needs to happen before things improve  would love to be proven wrong though |
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 11, 2019 0:18:53 GMT
I am sorry but its not media hysteria the stabbings are out of control now. It's a joke how many life's are being lost. If you think it's only out of control "now", you were probably fortunate enough to grow up an environment where it wasn't commonplace. For some people, the odds of someone they know being stabbed in any given month is about equal to the odds of there being a penalty in a Premiership match. It's a random event that happens enough for it be within the sphere of normality for a certain section of society. This isn't a new thing. 10 years ago, as a black teenager, I was stopped and searched with tedious regularity, enough for it to become normal everyday business. And that was because stabbings and gang culture were enough a problem then to warrant blanket targetting of anyone who belonged to certain demographic groups. You don't even need to be in that world to be exposed to all that. Just attend a school, or live in a neighbourhood where the perpetrators conduct their business and you'll come to hear about it. A lot of stabbings that happen go unreported. I'm not ashamed to admit that sometimes what goes on saddens me to the extent that it brings the occasional involuntary tear to my eye. Nowadays youths have the freedom to enjoy an education, have careers and live a wholesome life. No need to be terrorising people on the street, carrying weapons, robbing phones and selling drugs. Regrettably that is some people's perception of "normal". And decide there's no other way when whoever is meant to care for them neither has the resources to give them what they need nor stop them falling in with the wrong crowd. It's all too easy - back then I was approached by youths I didn't even know and offered incentives like money, nice trainers and a job as an "enforcer" for £500 a month. Some are too naive, weak or scared to say no. Word would get around and at school the next day it'd be "you said no - are you mad?" Umm nope I just know better than that. Trappers normally target those from seriously broken homes, those where early or even pre-teens are required to bring money to the table. I mix with people whose perception of normality is totally different. Who went to schools where they were primed to pass exams, go to university and walk straight into a £30k job. Whose parents could afford to keep them entertained outside of school hours and knew how to raise them in a way that was not barbaric - beating is the norm in some cultures which I don't agree with as it desensitises those at a developmental age to violence. Too many people saying bring back the cane - but clearly there are many people who are respectful and successful without having been subjected to that. But I've also learned that those from privileged backgrounds and other demographics have their own issues to deal with. Some societies club together when resources are scarce, but in others there is a total lack of cohesion, starting at home. A toxic mix of circumstances can lead to someone living a lifestyle where carrying a knife is as normal as going to school, college or work is for the majority and more needs to be done to address the causes of this, not just the symptoms. |
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Post by frank on Mar 13, 2019 19:58:50 GMT
I am sorry but its not media hysteria the stabbings are out of control now. It's a joke how many life's are being lost. If you think it's only out of control "now", you were probably fortunate enough to grow up an environment where it wasn't commonplace. For some people, the odds of someone they know being stabbed in any given month is about equal to the odds of there being a penalty in a Premiership match. It's a random event that happens enough for it be within the sphere of normality for a certain section of society. This isn't a new thing. 10 years ago, as a black teenager, I was stopped and searched with tedious regularity, enough for it to become normal everyday business. And that was because stabbings and gang culture were enough a problem then to warrant blanket targetting of anyone who belonged to certain demographic groups. You don't even need to be in that world to be exposed to all that. Just attend a school, or live in a neighbourhood where the perpetrators conduct their business and you'll come to hear about it. A lot of stabbings that happen go unreported. I'm not ashamed to admit that sometimes what goes on saddens me to the extent that it brings the occasional involuntary tear to my eye. Nowadays youths have the freedom to enjoy an education, have careers and live a wholesome life. No need to be terrorising people on the street, carrying weapons, robbing phones and selling drugs. Regrettably that is some people's perception of "normal". And decide there's no other way when whoever is meant to care for them neither has the resources to give them what they need nor stop them falling in with the wrong crowd. It's all too easy - back then I was approached by youths I didn't even know and offered incentives like money, nice trainers and a job as an "enforcer" for £500 a month. Some are too naive, weak or scared to say no. Word would get around and at school the next day it'd be "you said no - are you mad?" Umm nope I just know better than that. Trappers normally target those from seriously broken homes, those where early or even pre-teens are required to bring money to the table. I mix with people whose perception of normality is totally different. Who went to schools where they were primed to pass exams, go to university and walk straight into a £30k job. Whose parents could afford to keep them entertained outside of school hours and knew how to raise them in a way that was not barbaric - beating is the norm in some cultures which I don't agree with as it desensitises those at a developmental age to violence. Too many people saying bring back the cane - but clearly there are many people who are respectful and successful without having been subjected to that. But I've also learned that those from privileged backgrounds and other demographics have their own issues to deal with. Some societies club together when resources are scarce, but in others there is a total lack of cohesion, starting at home. A toxic mix of circumstances can lead to someone living a lifestyle where carrying a knife is as normal as going to school, college or work is for the majority and more needs to be done to address the causes of this, not just the symptoms. An excellent insight. |
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