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Post by M1104 on Aug 7, 2019 9:22:48 GMT
ADL launches the new Enviro400ER with a ability to go up to three miles in electric mode without the need of any charging infrastructure. Brighton & Hove has currently have a order of 30 Enviro400ER Buses due later this year on route 5.
Would like to see some of those buses in London and if TfL classifies them as electric buses then I'd certainly expecting to be popular in London as well.
Sounds like a similar switch on-switch off operation to the LTs and tri-axle demonstrator TA1. I wonder if the system could theoretically be upgraded/reprogrammed for existing E40Hs to run for that long in electric mode. I also wonder if the Enviro400ERs are still just as quick.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2019 11:32:53 GMT
ADL launches the new Enviro400ER with a ability to go up to three miles in electric mode without the need of any charging infrastructure. Brighton & Hove has currently have a order of 30 Enviro400ER Buses due later this year on route 5.
Would like to see some of those buses in London and if TfL classifies them as electric buses then I'd certainly expecting to be popular in London as well.
They are not electric buses, they are hybrids that have the ability to operate in fully-electric mode for a short distance. They are most definitely not zero-emission. Brighton and Hove will operate them in electric mode through the city centre and on diesel-electric power in the suburbs. Indeed as North Street is to become a ULEZ of sorts which is why Brighton specifically ordered these.
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Post by ak121 on Aug 7, 2019 23:01:24 GMT
ADL launches the new Enviro400ER with a ability to go up to three miles in electric mode without the need of any charging infrastructure. Brighton & Hove has currently have a order of 30 Enviro400ER Buses due later this year on route 5.
Would like to see some of those buses in London and if TfL classifies them as electric buses then I'd certainly expecting to be popular in London as well.
If these are introduced to London, they'd probably end up being classified as something like 'Super Smart hybrids' or something dumb like that because 'Smart Hybrids' has already been taken by vehicles that aren't that smart at all and a just basically diesel buses with a tiny hint of electrical assistance and thus a major step back from conventional hybrids and these Super Smart hybrids
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2019 1:05:56 GMT
ADL launches the new Enviro400ER with a ability to go up to three miles in electric mode without the need of any charging infrastructure. Brighton & Hove has currently have a order of 30 Enviro400ER Buses due later this year on route 5.
Would like to see some of those buses in London and if TfL classifies them as electric buses then I'd certainly expecting to be popular in London as well.
If these are introduced to London, they'd probably end up being classified as something like 'Super Smart hybrids' or something dumb like that because 'Smart Hybrids' has already been taken by vehicles that aren't that smart at all and a just basically diesel buses with a tiny hint of electrical assistance and thus a major step back from conventional hybrids and these Super Smart hybrids I'm sure the term 'Smart' is used because the braking system regenerates energy that is normally wasted? If that's true, is that not a smart concept or idea? A conventional hybrid still uses diesel and causes pollution - further pollution comes from the battery manufacturing process so not sure I'd agree with hybrids being a major step up - probably more a minor step in the right direction emissions wise.
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Post by Frenzie on Aug 8, 2019 8:59:32 GMT
If these are introduced to London, they'd probably end up being classified as something like 'Super Smart hybrids' or something dumb like that because 'Smart Hybrids' has already been taken by vehicles that aren't that smart at all and a just basically diesel buses with a tiny hint of electrical assistance and thus a major step back from conventional hybrids and these Super Smart hybrids I'm sure the term 'Smart' is used because the braking system regenerates energy that is normally wasted? If that's true, is that not a smart concept or idea? A conventional hybrid still uses diesel and causes pollution - further pollution comes from the battery manufacturing process so not sure I'd agree with hybrids being a major step up - probably more a minor step in the right direction emissions wise. I thought ADL use capacitors rather than batteries in their hybrid vehicles now which last the lifetime of a bus.
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Post by brutxi on Aug 8, 2019 9:20:43 GMT
ADL launches the new Enviro400ER with a ability to go up to three miles in electric mode without the need of any charging infrastructure. Brighton & Hove has currently have a order of 30 Enviro400ER Buses due later this year on route 5.
Would like to see some of those buses in London and if TfL classifies them as electric buses then I'd certainly expecting to be popular in London as well.
Nice! I had mentioned ADL could have the latest battery technology (32/33 kWh) ready by then for possible orders for Route 25 in the Stagecoach thread. The modules should be the same dimensions as the ultracap versions on the market so they can be retrofitted if necessary.
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Post by brutxi on Aug 8, 2019 9:44:01 GMT
I'm sure the term 'Smart' is used because the braking system regenerates energy that is normally wasted? If that's true, is that not a smart concept or idea? A conventional hybrid still uses diesel and causes pollution - further pollution comes from the battery manufacturing process so not sure I'd agree with hybrids being a major step up - probably more a minor step in the right direction emissions wise. I thought ADL use capacitors rather than batteries in their hybrid vehicles now which last the lifetime of a bus. For now a capacitor density is not enough to store large amounts of energy for a longer period of time. It is another solution to provide rapid energy for a short period of time. You see some posts on here comparing the performance of the ultracap versions on some vehicles that struggle up a hill compared to those that have a conventional battery pack. I guess it is all down to costs and supply. You have probably the cheapest option which are the 'smart' hybrids (better to call them mild hybrids) and the most expensive options are the fully electric E400's.
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Post by ak121 on Aug 8, 2019 21:59:41 GMT
If these are introduced to London, they'd probably end up being classified as something like 'Super Smart hybrids' or something dumb like that because 'Smart Hybrids' has already been taken by vehicles that aren't that smart at all and a just basically diesel buses with a tiny hint of electrical assistance and thus a major step back from conventional hybrids and these Super Smart hybrids I'm sure the term 'Smart' is used because the braking system regenerates energy that is normally wasted? If that's true, is that not a smart concept or idea? A conventional hybrid still uses diesel and causes pollution - further pollution comes from the battery manufacturing process so not sure I'd agree with hybrids being a major step up - probably more a minor step in the right direction emissions wise. I regarded it as a step down because although both types of vehicles do emit pollution, conventional hybrids (with batteries or super capacitors) emit less pollution than Smart Hybrids. So to allow vehicles that produce more pollution in London is quite a step back from conventional hybrids. The regenerative breaking is quite smart, but when conventional hybrids switch between electric mode and diesel mode and on top of that when in diesel mode, the battery or super capacitor helps the engine, I think conventional hybrids are smarter than Smart Hybrids. The amount of pollution avoided when using conventional hybrids compared to smart hybrids will take over the amount of pollution avoided when constructing Smart Hybrids over batteries or super capacitors for conventional hybrids in the long run. Also there is a better saving for the operator to use conventional hybrids, as they use less diesel. Over time, this saving will be greater than the price difference between cheaper Smart Hybrids and more expensive conventional ones.
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Post by portman227 on Aug 9, 2019 1:49:37 GMT
ADL launches the new Enviro400ER with a ability to go up to three miles in electric mode without the need of any charging infrastructure. Brighton & Hove has currently have a order of 30 Enviro400ER Buses due later this year on route 5.
Would like to see some of those buses in London and if TfL classifies them as electric buses then I'd certainly expecting to be popular in London as well.
This may well be the proposed new order for 25 and 425, who knows. Not calling this off at all
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Post by M1104 on Oct 2, 2019 9:39:26 GMT
It appears that the firm are offering a possible lifeline in relation to the Wrightbus situation.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 27, 2020 13:57:07 GMT
" Delivery of new buses from Alexander Dennis is about to be suspended after the ADL factories were closed down due to ‘the virus’. Initially this affects the outstanding BYD/ADL E400EVs (Ee class) and E200EVs (SEe class) for Go-Ahead and the E40D smart hybrids for Stagecoach. Some of each are already ready for delivery but some will be held back at the factories. "
LOTS online
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 28, 2020 7:23:37 GMT
" Delivery of new buses from Alexander Dennis is about to be suspended after the ADL factories were closed down due to ‘the virus’. Initially this affects the outstanding BYD/ADL E400EVs (Ee class) and E200EVs (SEe class) for Go-Ahead and the E40D smart hybrids for Stagecoach. Some of each are already ready for delivery but some will be held back at the factories. " LOTS online Hard to say how long this will continue. This letter below gives no date for resumption of work at the factories, merely referring to a "restart at the appropriate time" www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2020/march/our-teams-will-continue-to-support-you-in-these-challenging-times/
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 28, 2020 13:47:43 GMT
" Delivery of new buses from Alexander Dennis is about to be suspended after the ADL factories were closed down due to ‘the virus’. Initially this affects the outstanding BYD/ADL E400EVs (Ee class) and E200EVs (SEe class) for Go-Ahead and the E40D smart hybrids for Stagecoach. Some of each are already ready for delivery but some will be held back at the factories. " LOTS online Assuming that the vehicles already registered on LVF are those that can enter service as expected, the Ees for the 106 should be available. The 230 can probably use the 357's batch of Ees, plus a few spare Ees (due to routes operating a reduced timetable), and there's always the 191's ENs if needed. Not sure which SEes are referred to here, as all of the 444's batch are registered, so should at least be ready for delivery if not at NP yet. At Stagecoach, the 25's MMC batch should be available, with the 25 transferring sooner than the 425. It may be possible to compile a temporary allocation for the 425 from around the fleet, due to the reduced service, though if needed, Stagecoah could perhaps loan some vehicles from Tower Transit (could hire 11/13reg DNs due to type familiarity, with the 69 using some VNs in the interim).
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 28, 2020 14:04:11 GMT
Remember that some buses may be registered but are being held at the factory as there is no one to collect them
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Post by busoccultation on Mar 28, 2020 14:43:30 GMT
Assuming that the vehicles already registered on LVF are those that can enter service as expected, the Ees for the 106 should be available. The 230 can probably use the 357's batch of Ees, plus a few spare Ees (due to routes operating a reduced timetable), and there's always the 191's ENs if needed. Not sure which SEes are referred to here, as all of the 444's batch are registered, so should at least be ready for delivery if not at NP yet. At Stagecoach, the 25's MMC batch should be available, with the 25 transferring sooner than the 425. It may be possible to compile a temporary allocation for the 425 from around the fleet, due to the reduced service, though if needed, Stagecoah could perhaps loan some vehicles from Tower Transit (could hire 11/13reg DNs due to type familiarity, with the 69 using some VNs in the interim). Personally I wouldn't really fully depend on taking over routes entirety based on reduced schedules, just in case if the all the routes does suddenly goes back to their normal weekday schedules and lot of routes even after next week will still retain their Saturday timetable which on many routes uses the same amount of buses as on weekdays. As for Stagecoach, I'd just wait and see on how things go in the next few weeks and then decide what plan is needed for the 25 & 425, but that said TB have just detaxed few of their E400's which can indirectly be used on loan for the 25/425 and few other garages do have school routes that can loan out buses if needed if the schools isn't back open by then.
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