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Post by george on Apr 23, 2019 10:28:19 GMT
22 used to be run from AL on Sunday. Can someone please explain to me Sunday allocations as I just don't get the point of them. Some of these go back to the days of Routemaster operation. By the 1990s most of the remaining RM routes had been converted to OPO (one person operation) using modern buses on Sundays, as Sundays were quieter and didn't justify the expense of a two-person crew. So the Sunday service would be operated by whichever garage had enough spare OPO buses. At Putney on a Sunday all the spare OPO buses were taken up by the 14, so it was left to AL to cover the 22. This situation persisted even after the daily 22 went OPO, I suppose because there was no point in changing the duties just for the sake of it.
In other cases it's just a case of spreading the Sunday work more evenly between garages. Some garages used to have less Sunday work than others, because the routes that they operated on Mon-Sat didn't have a Sunday service, so they were given other work to make up for it. Now that most routes run 7 days a week there are far fewer cases of Sunday allocations being worked from different garages.
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Post by redexpress on Apr 23, 2019 11:00:57 GMT
Older ones here but the N159 was run from TH with at least one bus allocated from TC - the 159's evening service was also run by TH. The N133 had a similar arrangement - TC ran the route and also ran the 133's evening service. TC gained an allocation on the N159 to replace the N68 when the 68 group was lost to Go-Ahead in 2006. TC ran 4 buses with TH running 14 buses. When the N159 was withdrawn in 2010 TC were given the N133 in its place. It seems this was all done to keep the night drivers at TC happy. Eventually the N133 moved to N (and subsequently BN) with nothing taking its place, so perhaps the older night drivers had all left by then!
Staffing considerations explain a lot of the oddities mentioned here. I believe the odd HT allocation of one bus on each of N5 and N91 (and N20 at weekends) was also done to keep the right amount of night work at each garage after the night bus cuts a couple of years ago, considering how many night drivers are based at each garage.
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Post by snowman on Apr 23, 2019 11:06:51 GMT
22 used to be run from AL on Sunday. Can someone please explain to me Sunday allocations as I just don't get the point of them. Some of these go back to the days of Routemaster operation. By the 1990s most of the remaining RM routes had been converted to OPO (one person operation) using modern buses on Sundays, as Sundays were quieter and didn't justify the expense of a two-person crew. So the Sunday service would be operated by whichever garage had enough spare OPO buses. At Putney on a Sunday all the spare OPO buses were taken up by the 14, so it was left to AL to cover the 22. This situation persisted even after the daily 22 went OPO, I suppose because there was no point in changing the duties just for the sake of it. In other cases it's just a case of spreading the Sunday work more evenly between garages. Some garages used to have less Sunday work than others, because the routes that they operated on Mon-Sat didn't have a Sunday service, so they were given other work to make up for it. Now that most routes run 7 days a week there are far fewer cases of Sunday allocations being worked from different garages.
That is a good summary. Back in 1980s Sunday services were much less frequent, the 22 on Sunday used less than 50% of weekday allocation, so lots of spare buses (but often at different garages) Putney didn't operate the 22 until 1987 (was then Clapton and Wandsworth) which is when the route went OPO on Sundays. Merton took on Sunday work from 1991 (after route was cut back, so operating on Sundays from Ash Grove (which had replaced Clapton) no longer made sense). After the full conversion to OPO in 2005 it was more a historic thing for a few years as Putney didn't have enough staff on a Sunday. Not quite sure why this arrangement survived 12 years until summer 2017 Split allocations are rare nowadays, but if you look up the history, you will find that back in 1930s 4 garages worked the 19 |
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Post by busaholic on Apr 24, 2019 18:10:50 GMT
Some of these go back to the days of Routemaster operation. By the 1990s most of the remaining RM routes had been converted to OPO (one person operation) using modern buses on Sundays, as Sundays were quieter and didn't justify the expense of a two-person crew. So the Sunday service would be operated by whichever garage had enough spare OPO buses. At Putney on a Sunday all the spare OPO buses were taken up by the 14, so it was left to AL to cover the 22. This situation persisted even after the daily 22 went OPO, I suppose because there was no point in changing the duties just for the sake of it. In other cases it's just a case of spreading the Sunday work more evenly between garages. Some garages used to have less Sunday work than others, because the routes that they operated on Mon-Sat didn't have a Sunday service, so they were given other work to make up for it. Now that most routes run 7 days a week there are far fewer cases of Sunday allocations being worked from different garages.
That is a good summary. Back in 1980s Sunday services were much less frequent, the 22 on Sunday used less than 50% of weekday allocation, so lots of spare buses (but often at different garages) Putney didn't operate the 22 until 1987 (was then Clapton and Wandsworth) which is when the route went OPO on Sundays. Merton took on Sunday work from 1991 (after route was cut back, so operating on Sundays from Ash Grove (which had replaced Clapton) no longer made sense). After the full conversion to OPO in 2005 it was more a historic thing for a few years as Putney didn't have enough staff on a Sunday. Not quite sure why this arrangement survived 12 years until summer 2017 Split allocations are rare nowadays, but if you look up the history, you will find that back in 1930s 4 garages worked the 19 Don't even have to go back that far: both the 12 and, surprisingly, the 175 had four garages operating on the same day in the 1970s. I believe there was at least one route in the 1930s which had five operating garages: maybe the 73? |
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Post by Max B on Apr 24, 2019 18:27:45 GMT
Older ones here but the N159 was run from TH with at least one bus allocated from TC - the 159's evening service was also run by TH. The N133 had a similar arrangement - TC ran the route and also ran the 133's evening service. Didn’t BN run similar evening services on the 250 before running the N250 before the whole allocation went back to TH in 2010? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 19:41:24 GMT
241 used to be run by Upton Park and Stratford on Sundays and also Bow and Stratford in the late 90s / early 00s.
147 used to be Upton Park and Barking on Sundays. This was because OPO buses were needed for the 15 on Sundays. It then moved back to Upton Park fully once the last Titans were withdrawn and there wasn't enough double deckers available on this day (Can't remember why Tridents weren't available to use but they did use ALX200s for a short time but couldn't cope with the loads)
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Post by vjaska on Apr 24, 2019 22:40:50 GMT
Older ones here but the N159 was run from TH with at least one bus allocated from TC - the 159's evening service was also run by TH. The N133 had a similar arrangement - TC ran the route and also ran the 133's evening service. Didn’t BN run similar evening services on the 250 before running the N250 before the whole allocation went back to TH in 2010? BN indeed was allocated the N250 and then when 250 went 24 hours for a good number of years as the 250's night allocation was DW's. The only difference was and bear with me as it's from memory so I could be wrong, the evening service on the 250 was still run with DLA's from TH until the night part kicked in. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 27, 2019 4:54:23 GMT
22 used to be run from AL on Sunday. Can someone please explain to me Sunday allocations as I just don't get the point of them. Some of these go back to the days of Routemaster operation. By the 1990s most of the remaining RM routes had been converted to OPO (one person operation) using modern buses on Sundays, as Sundays were quieter and didn't justify the expense of a two-person crew. So the Sunday service would be operated by whichever garage had enough spare OPO buses. At Putney on a Sunday all the spare OPO buses were taken up by the 14, so it was left to AL to cover the 22. This situation persisted even after the daily 22 went OPO, I suppose because there was no point in changing the duties just for the sake of it.
In other cases it's just a case of spreading the Sunday work more evenly between garages. Some garages used to have less Sunday work than others, because the routes that they operated on Mon-Sat didn't have a Sunday service, so they were given other work to make up for it. Now that most routes run 7 days a week there are far fewer cases of Sunday allocations being worked from different garages.
One of my highlights particularly from the August Bank Holiday used to be seeing and riding some Sunday-only operations.  I was thus out and about in London on most August Bank Holidays until 1994 but have only done 3 since then (soon to be 4  ) mainly to combine Daily routes with a sense of nostalgia in terms of date. |
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 27, 2019 5:38:01 GMT
97 used to be split between BW and T , and going way back the 86 between NS and SD for quite a long while also the 5 had a NS allocation aswell as BK when the 87 became absorbed into the 5 in the good old Trident galore days (2003-2009ish) .
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I was thus out and about in London on most August Bank Holidays until 1994 but have only done 3 since then (soon to be 4 
) mainly to combine Daily routes with a sense of nostalgia in terms of date.