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Post by snowman on Jun 13, 2019 12:43:46 GMT
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 13, 2019 13:07:19 GMT
I had a feeling this would eventually come, a shame because there are quite a few people who get the 128 from Romford Town Centre.
I wonder if the stops will be rejigged outside Romford Station so that the 128 continues to provide common stops with the 5 and 175 heading down towards Queen's Hospital. Will be very irritating if the 128 doesn't share common stops there as everyone will just storm the already crowded 5.
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Post by lonmark on Jun 13, 2019 13:20:00 GMT
I think this is a good idea and quicker for people to go home or get into town by the station rather than go around the shopping center area.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 13, 2019 13:34:22 GMT
Another 'improvement' for Outer London.
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Post by busaholic on Jun 13, 2019 13:37:33 GMT
Another 'improvement' for Outer London. Which will 'coincidentally' save a bus, no doubt, in daytimes at least. |
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Post by busoccultation on Jun 13, 2019 15:28:32 GMT
Which will 'coincidentally' save a bus, no doubt, in daytimes at least. I think that explains why the tender results stated PVR will be 14 buses instead of 15 buses of which is current PVR of the 128.
Anyway on my thoughts about the 128 changes:
Firstly I don't think having stop Y as the proposed first stop is a great idea as the stop is already overcrowded with buses to Gidea Park, Elm Park and Hornchurch and the stop is already used by the 248, 252 & 365 driver changeovers meaning sometimes it is difficult to serve that stop. Also, missing out most of the town centre including the three shopping centres in Romford won't going to be popular either especially the The Brewery as 128 currently is the only route that come from west of Romford that directly serve The Brewery. |
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Post by 15002 on Jun 13, 2019 15:42:28 GMT
Personally speaking, I think TFL are on the right lines with this change, and it is one of the better proposals compared to the ridiculous situation with Croydon, and does allow passengers to reach Romford Station a lot more quicker, however missing Romford Market and The Brewery is honestly a terrible move too since quite a few people get off it from my observation.
What I think should happen is run the 128 anti-clockwise around Romford whereby it reaches Romford Station first like in the proposal since passengers can get to Romford Station a lot more quicker, however I think it should then carry onto Romford Market and have a hesitation pause at Romford Market like with the 499 at Becontree Heath Estate for a few minutes and then head to Claybury Broadway via Waterloo Way like it currently does. This as a result benefits the 128 passengers that want to get off at the station more quicker saving time and also still retains the link to Romford Market and The Brewery too for those that want to get off around those areas.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 13, 2019 15:46:21 GMT
Personally speaking, I think TFL are on the right lines with this change, and it is one of the better proposals compared to the ridiculous situation with Croydon, and does allow passengers to reach Romford Station a lot more quicker, however missing Romford Market and The Brewery is honestly a terrible move too since quite a few people get off it from my observation. What I think should happen is run the 128 anti-clockwise around Romford whereby it reaches Romford Station first like in the proposal since passengers can get to Romford Station a lot more quicker, however I think it should then carry onto Romford Market and have a hesitation pause at Romford Market like with the 499 at Becontree Heath Estate for a few minutes and then head to Claybury Broadway via Waterloo Way like it currently does. This as a result benefits the 128 passengers that want to get off at the station more quicker saving time and also still retains the link to Romford Market and The Brewery too for those that want to get off around those areas. That throws up the issue that the 128 will be much longer heading towards Claybury Broadway, so in making one situation better you make the other worse. I do agree with it continuing however, Romford Market traditionally has been the terminus for routes that approach Romford from the South, however the obvious issue there is a lack of stand space. That said it's quite clear the motive here is not to actually get people to the station faster but rather to shave a bus off the PVR  |
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Post by rif153 on Jun 14, 2019 20:00:39 GMT
Another 'improvement' for Outer London. Great to see yet another of example of TFL 'recycling' capacity to Outer London at the expense of Central London (Sarcam) |
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Post by frank on Jun 15, 2019 20:47:23 GMT
Why not run the 128 via the proposed routing in the consultation to Romford station and the onto Romford Market via Western Road. That way the impact is minimal, the passengers achieve a quicker journey time between Queen’s Hospital and the station, and it still serves the Market.
For once, TfL had a chance to make a change whereby (nearly), everyone wins.... and they still managed to f@#k it up.
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Post by busoccultation on Jun 15, 2019 21:14:52 GMT
Why not run the 128 via the proposed routing in the consultation to Romford station and the onto Romford Market via Western Road. That way the impact is minimal, the passengers achieve a quicker journey time between Queen’s Hospital and the station, and it still serves the Market. One problem with terminating at Romford Market is that not much of available stand space at the 5/248 stand, yes the is a overflow stand just outside that stand but adding a another high frequency route are likely to cause more problems when at times there more buses than usual at the stand and the 370 stand on Mercury Gardens cannot have more than two buses at a time in the stand, plus that stand doesn't have driver toilet facilities considering the Claybury Broadway stand doesn't have any toilets for the drivers to use.
Having said that I'd rather have the 128 terminating at Romford Market via Romford Station than terminating at Romford Station under the proposed rerouting.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 15, 2019 21:28:20 GMT
Why not run the 128 via the proposed routing in the consultation to Romford station and the onto Romford Market via Western Road. That way the impact is minimal, the passengers achieve a quicker journey time between Queen’s Hospital and the station, and it still serves the Market. One problem with terminating at Romford Market is that not much of available stand space at the 5/248 stand, yes the is a overflow stand just outside that stand but adding a another high frequency route are likely to cause more problems when at times there more buses than usual at the stand and the 370 stand on Mercury Gardens cannot have more than two buses at a time in the stand, plus that stand doesn't have driver toilet facilities considering the Claybury Broadway stand doesn't have any toilets for the drivers to use. Having said that I'd rather have the 128 terminating at Romford Market via Romford Station than terminating at Romford Station under the proposed rerouting.
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Post by busoccultation on Jun 15, 2019 21:44:04 GMT
One problem with terminating at Romford Market is that not much of available stand space at the 5/248 stand, yes the is a overflow stand just outside that stand but adding a another high frequency route are likely to cause more problems when at times there more buses than usual at the stand and the 370 stand on Mercury Gardens cannot have more than two buses at a time in the stand, plus that stand doesn't have driver toilet facilities considering the Claybury Broadway stand doesn't have any toilets for the drivers to use. Having said that I'd rather have the 128 terminating at Romford Market via Romford Station than terminating at Romford Station under the proposed rerouting.
Is there room at Romford, The Brewery? Yes there is plenty of space at The Brewery, has space for 4-5 buses and apart from a odd 575 its currently only being the 165 so easily can fit a another route or two. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 15, 2019 21:46:44 GMT
One problem with terminating at Romford Market is that not much of available stand space at the 5/248 stand, yes the is a overflow stand just outside that stand but adding a another high frequency route are likely to cause more problems when at times there more buses than usual at the stand and the 370 stand on Mercury Gardens cannot have more than two buses at a time in the stand, plus that stand doesn't have driver toilet facilities considering the Claybury Broadway stand doesn't have any toilets for the drivers to use. Having said that I'd rather have the 128 terminating at Romford Market via Romford Station than terminating at Romford Station under the proposed rerouting.
Is there room at Romford, The Brewery? As mentioned by busoccultation there is indeed plenty of space there, if TfL really did care about getting people to the station faster this is what they'd have done. But going to the Brewery is probably even more of a loop than Romford Station currently is and won't shave a bus off the PVR. |
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 2, 2019 16:46:39 GMT
Latecomer to this thread - I like the suggestion of the 128 operating in an anti-clockwise one-way loop around the centre of Romford. Terminating it to the soith of Romford Station and not taking people to the shops and Romford Market could potentially lose a lot of custom.
I suspect the 165, 193 and 248 could also operate like this around Romford Town Centre.
The main drawback of this proposal is that buses then have no stand/recovery time at Romford.
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