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Post by sid on Jul 15, 2019 20:44:43 GMT
I had an idea a while ago about making the 53 run non stop between E&C and NX, omitting Bricklayer’s Arms and the the entire OKR, Passengers along the OKR generally want destinations further into the West End which can be achieved via the 453 while any eastbound beyond Deptford can change at NX. The 53 already omits the Bricklayers Arms but I can't see any other stops being removed.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 15, 2019 21:56:37 GMT
I took the 53 the other day it was very full with people along the Old Kent Road. The section from County Hall to Elephant unsurprisingly didn't pick up much.
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Post by route53 on Jul 18, 2019 11:33:03 GMT
I had an idea a while ago about making the 53 run non stop between E&C and NX, omitting Bricklayer’s Arms and the the entire OKR, Passengers along the OKR generally want destinations further into the West End which can be achieved via the 453 while any eastbound beyond Deptford can change at NX. The 53 already omits the Bricklayers Arms but I can't see any other stops being removed. That’s only eastbound it skips the roundabout at Tower Bridge Road and Bricklayers Arms, westbound it’s all stops still. Do you think the 53 will ever return to the West End in some form or do you think more cuts and restructuring of the route will occur in the future?
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Post by sid on Jul 18, 2019 11:50:21 GMT
The 53 already omits the Bricklayers Arms but I can't see any other stops being removed. That’s only eastbound it skips the roundabout at Tower Bridge Road and Bricklayers Arms, westbound it’s all stops still. Do you think the 53 will ever return to the West End in some form or do you think more cuts and restructuring of the route will occur in the future? Yes obviously the flyover is eastbound only and it would seem unlikely that the 53 will ever return to the West End. The current set down point of Lower Marsh, one stop short of County Hall on the blind, is awful. Shame stand arrangements weren't rejigged better at Waterloo, for example the 341 could have remained on the County Hall stand, the 243 use the Old Vic stand and the 53 stand in the bus interchange.
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Post by route53 on Jul 18, 2019 15:09:17 GMT
That’s only eastbound it skips the roundabout at Tower Bridge Road and Bricklayers Arms, westbound it’s all stops still. Do you think the 53 will ever return to the West End in some form or do you think more cuts and restructuring of the route will occur in the future? Yes obviously the flyover is eastbound only and it would seem unlikely that the 53 will ever return to the West End. The current set down point of Lower Marsh, one stop short of County Hall on the blind, is awful. Shame stand arrangements weren't rejigged better at Waterloo, for example the 341 could have remained on the County Hall stand, the 243 use the Old Vic stand and the 53 stand in the bus interchange. Have the 53 rerouted to Waterloo you mean? Sounds like a good idea, I’m optimistic, I think with the right mayor the 53 could be restored but to either Victoria (unlikely) or Aldwych via Waterloo.
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Post by sid on Jul 18, 2019 15:18:31 GMT
Yes obviously the flyover is eastbound only and it would seem unlikely that the 53 will ever return to the West End. The current set down point of Lower Marsh, one stop short of County Hall on the blind, is awful. Shame stand arrangements weren't rejigged better at Waterloo, for example the 341 could have remained on the County Hall stand, the 243 use the Old Vic stand and the 53 stand in the bus interchange. Have the 53 rerouted to Waterloo you mean? Sounds like a good idea, I’m optimistic, I think with the right mayor the 53 could be restored but to either Victoria (unlikely) or Aldwych via Waterloo. Just extend it beyond County Hall and along York Road.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 18, 2019 17:23:46 GMT
Yes obviously the flyover is eastbound only and it would seem unlikely that the 53 will ever return to the West End. The current set down point of Lower Marsh, one stop short of County Hall on the blind, is awful. Shame stand arrangements weren't rejigged better at Waterloo, for example the 341 could have remained on the County Hall stand, the 243 use the Old Vic stand and the 53 stand in the bus interchange. Have the 53 rerouted to Waterloo you mean? Sounds like a good idea, I’m optimistic, I think with the right mayor the 53 could be restored but to either Victoria (unlikely) or Aldwych via Waterloo. Personally, I doubt we’ll ever get another mayor that will prioritise buses so I can’t see the 53 going any further. Extending the 53 to Waterloo makes little difference to those who require St. Thomas’s Hospital as its still awkward from County Hall. If you extended it to Lambeth Palace where the 53 has stood in the past, you then make interchange with the hospital much more accessible.
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Post by route53 on Jul 18, 2019 17:56:36 GMT
Have the 53 rerouted to Waterloo you mean? Sounds like a good idea, I’m optimistic, I think with the right mayor the 53 could be restored but to either Victoria (unlikely) or Aldwych via Waterloo. Personally, I doubt we’ll ever get another mayor that will prioritise buses so I can’t see the 53 going any further. Extending the 53 to Waterloo makes little difference to those who require St. Thomas’s Hospital as its still awkward from County Hall. If you extended it to Lambeth Palace where the 53 has stood in the past, you then make interchange with the hospital much more accessible. Makes me wish for the days of Ken Livingstone, he did well for the buses. Yes the 53 terminating at Lambeth Palace would be better for those requiring the hospital
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Post by rif153 on Jul 18, 2019 18:24:51 GMT
London is crying out for another mayor who values buses as a key form of transport for tackling congestion, and pollution. I would love to think the 53 would one day return to Oxford Circus, its not impossible this could happen one day but I certainly don't see it happening in the current climate
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Post by rhys on Jul 18, 2019 18:46:34 GMT
London is crying out for another mayor who values buses as a key form of transport for tackling congestion, and pollution. I would love to think the 53 would one day return to Oxford Circus, its not impossible this could happen one day but I certainly don't see it happening in the current climate I'm sorry, not to get political, but I don't think it's the mayor's fault for all these route cuts. TfL lost their grant that was provided to them by the Tory government. I genuinely don't think the mayor even has a say in which routes get cut/which don't. The mayor has only introduced the hopper fare, which TfL themselves have used to their advantage to make many cuts, in order to save money.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 18, 2019 19:05:05 GMT
London is crying out for another mayor who values buses as a key form of transport for tackling congestion, and pollution. I would love to think the 53 would one day return to Oxford Circus, its not impossible this could happen one day but I certainly don't see it happening in the current climate I'm sorry, not to get political, but I don't think it's the mayor's fault for all these route cuts. TfL lost their grant that was provided to them by the Tory government. I genuinely don't think the mayor even has a say in which routes get cut/which don't. The mayor has only introduced the hopper fare, which TfL themselves have used to their advantage to make many cuts, in order to save money. I'm not against cutting bus routes, some of the cuts proposed in the Central London consultation were in my opinion justified. Of course TfL will have to make cuts because of the economic hardships they're facing. Its almost certain Khan didn't personally decide to cut the 53 back to Lower Marsh. I also think it is cynical how TfL have used the hopper as a way of justifying cuts.
However this is where I disagree with you. The Mayor's Transport Strategy aspires for 80% of journeys to be completed either on foot, on a bicycle, or on public transport. Are people really going to feel incentivised to use buses when they'll have to change? Poor consideration for people's needs lead to the 53 being cutback to Lower Marsh, although the route is so lightly used between Lower Marsh and the Elephant you'd think buses were running light, better consideration would have at least lead to attempting to maintain a better connection to St Thomas' Hospital. Sadiq Khan is not personally responsible for the 53's cutback, however, he is the chairman of TfL and was more than happy to let the Central London Bus Consultation be released despite the negative implications the changes have had. If Khan were serious about his vision you wouldn have thought he'd want to incentivise people to use public transport but apparently not. However, cuts must fall somewhere to recover TfL's defecit
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Post by sid on Jul 18, 2019 19:16:08 GMT
Personally, I doubt we’ll ever get another mayor that will prioritise buses so I can’t see the 53 going any further. Extending the 53 to Waterloo makes little difference to those who require St. Thomas’s Hospital as its still awkward from County Hall. If you extended it to Lambeth Palace where the 53 has stood in the past, you then make interchange with the hospital much more accessible. Makes me wish for the days of Ken Livingstone, he did well for the buses. Yes the 53 terminating at Lambeth Palace would be better for those requiring the hospital If Ken Livingstone was in office now I really don't think things would be much different. I don't see any point in the 53 going to Lambeth Palace, there is very little there and anybody wanting the stop outside the hospital can get the 453 instead. Realistically I think the 53 is more likely to be cut back to Elephant & Castle than returned to the West End.
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Post by sid on Jul 18, 2019 19:20:06 GMT
London is crying out for another mayor who values buses as a key form of transport for tackling congestion, and pollution. I would love to think the 53 would one day return to Oxford Circus, its not impossible this could happen one day but I certainly don't see it happening in the current climate I'm sorry, not to get political, but I don't think it's the mayor's fault for all these route cuts. TfL lost their grant that was provided to them by the Tory government. I genuinely don't think the mayor even has a say in which routes get cut/which don't. The mayor has only introduced the hopper fare, which TfL themselves have used to their advantage to make many cuts, in order to save money. I agree, whilst there is a lot of criticism of Mr Khan for other reasons many people seem quite happy with his fares freeze and hopper fare. With bus usage declining for a number of reasons cuts to services are inevitable.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 18, 2019 21:36:17 GMT
London is crying out for another mayor who values buses as a key form of transport for tackling congestion, and pollution. I would love to think the 53 would one day return to Oxford Circus, its not impossible this could happen one day but I certainly don't see it happening in the current climate I'm sorry, not to get political, but I don't think it's the mayor's fault for all these route cuts. TfL lost their grant that was provided to them by the Tory government. I genuinely don't think the mayor even has a say in which routes get cut/which don't. The mayor has only introduced the hopper fare, which TfL themselves have used to their advantage to make many cuts, in order to save money. I’m afraid the mayor has to take some blame here - he knew that the grant was removed but insisted on going ahead with a populist policy without any regard for the consequence of lower revenue.
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