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Post by edinburghsam on Jul 3, 2019 15:37:21 GMT
Does anyone know what has happened to White City bus station as a terminus. is it still used?
As i understood it a couple of routes now don't go there, but where do the buses go to turn around and enter service?
Is it just the buses that used to go into the old shed that have been moved (i remember some outside bus stands for the 207/607)
Apologies if there is already a thread on this.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 3, 2019 17:47:54 GMT
Does anyone know what has happened to White City bus station as a terminus. is it still used? As i understood it a couple of routes now don't go there, but where do the buses go to turn around and enter service? Is it just the buses that used to go into the old shed that have been moved (i remember some outside bus stands for the 207/607) Apologies if there is already a thread on this. IIRC, only the 148 has been cut from White City and now terminates and stands on Shepherds Bush, the 207 & 607 cutbacks have been postponed. Buses used to go into the shed but I believe it’s now used as a storage place. Buses now terminate underneath Westfield in a sort of room. |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 3, 2019 21:09:11 GMT
Cutting back the 207/607 from the bus station is noesense. Are TfL really so desparate to shave a bus off the PVR they don't want the bus to continue a few metres to what is for some a more useful location. Don't get me wrong, White City Bus Station isn't a busy place but you can get a decent number of passengers getting on buses there and I believe of the routes that serve the bus station, the 207 sees better loadings going to/from the bus station relative to other routes. It seems ludicrous that a bus station which is supposed to provide a hub for bus routes to provide a location from where they all depart - having to get one bus from the bus station round the corner to Shepherd's Bush Station just to get one of the 207/607. When I am in that area and opt to get the 207 home, I prefer to get on at White City Bus Station as I'm not barged out of the way by thirty other passengers
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 3, 2019 22:17:51 GMT
Cutting back the 207/607 from the bus station is noesense. Are TfL really so desparate to shave a bus off the PVR they don't want the bus to continue a few metres to what is for some a more useful location. Don't get me wrong, White City Bus Station isn't a busy place but you can get a decent number of passengers getting on buses there and I believe of the routes that serve the bus station, the 207 sees better loadings going to/from the bus station relative to other routes. It seems ludicrous that a bus station which is supposed to provide a hub for bus routes to provide a location from where they all depart - having to get one bus from the bus station round the corner to Shepherd's Bush Station just to get one of the 207/607. When I am in that area and opt to get the 207 home, I prefer to get on at White City Bus Station as I'm not barged out of the way by thirty other passengers I'm afraid I'll have to disagree. I don't think there's a more pointless bus station than White City, even more so now the buses don't even stand near there but actually closer to Shepherd's Bush. Most people for the bus station do actually come out of Westfield and could just as easily come out at the other end. |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 4, 2019 6:30:06 GMT
Cutting back the 207/607 from the bus station is noesense. Are TfL really so desparate to shave a bus off the PVR they don't want the bus to continue a few metres to what is for some a more useful location. Don't get me wrong, White City Bus Station isn't a busy place but you can get a decent number of passengers getting on buses there and I believe of the routes that serve the bus station, the 207 sees better loadings going to/from the bus station relative to other routes. It seems ludicrous that a bus station which is supposed to provide a hub for bus routes to provide a location from where they all depart - having to get one bus from the bus station round the corner to Shepherd's Bush Station just to get one of the 207/607. When I am in that area and opt to get the 207 home, I prefer to get on at White City Bus Station as I'm not barged out of the way by thirty other passengers I'm afraid I'll have to disagree. I don't think there's a more pointless bus station than White City, even more so now the buses don't even stand near there but actually closer to Shepherd's Bush. Most people for the bus station do actually come out of Westfield and could just as easily come out at the other end. I think the protocol for drivers should be that they check their bus at Shepherd's Bush to see if there is anyone who wishes to continue to the bus station. If their bus is empty they should be allowed to go straight to the stand. You're right that White City Bus Station is a ghost town but I think its ludicrous to make people take another bus one stop and then change to a 207/607 |
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Post by edinburghsam on Jul 4, 2019 8:22:29 GMT
does anyone know about the standing arrangements vjaska mentioned? (the space under Westfield and what routes go there) i couldn't find any pictures.
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Post by rj131 on Jul 4, 2019 9:22:09 GMT
Cutting back the 207/607 from the bus station is noesense. Are TfL really so desparate to shave a bus off the PVR they don't want the bus to continue a few metres to what is for some a more useful location. Don't get me wrong, White City Bus Station isn't a busy place but you can get a decent number of passengers getting on buses there and I believe of the routes that serve the bus station, the 207 sees better loadings going to/from the bus station relative to other routes. It seems ludicrous that a bus station which is supposed to provide a hub for bus routes to provide a location from where they all depart - having to get one bus from the bus station round the corner to Shepherd's Bush Station just to get one of the 207/607. When I am in that area and opt to get the 207 home, I prefer to get on at White City Bus Station as I'm not barged out of the way by thirty other passengers I wonder why it’s been postponed though, perhaps they’re rethinking it. There certainly wasn’t a delay in the 128 consultation. I hope so too it’s not actually going to happen anymore. I always get on a 207 at White City so I can get a good seat on the bus, I imagine it’s a tactic used by quite a few in the peaks because I imagine (and have seen) the 207 stop at Shepherd’s Bush getting overwhelmed and some people not being able to board the first bus because it’s too busy. I think it’s useful for the travel savvy  |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 4, 2019 12:26:16 GMT
Cutting back the 207/607 from the bus station is noesense. Are TfL really so desparate to shave a bus off the PVR they don't want the bus to continue a few metres to what is for some a more useful location. Don't get me wrong, White City Bus Station isn't a busy place but you can get a decent number of passengers getting on buses there and I believe of the routes that serve the bus station, the 207 sees better loadings going to/from the bus station relative to other routes. It seems ludicrous that a bus station which is supposed to provide a hub for bus routes to provide a location from where they all depart - having to get one bus from the bus station round the corner to Shepherd's Bush Station just to get one of the 207/607. When I am in that area and opt to get the 207 home, I prefer to get on at White City Bus Station as I'm not barged out of the way by thirty other passengers I wonder why it’s been postponed though, perhaps they’re rethinking it. There certainly wasn’t a delay in the 128 consultation. I hope so too it’s not actually going to happen anymore. I always get on a 207 at White City so I can get a good seat on the bus, I imagine it’s a tactic used by quite a few in the peaks because I imagine (and have seen) the 207 stop at Shepherd’s Bush getting overwhelmed and some people not being able to board the first bus because it’s too busy. I think it’s useful for the travel savvy Indeed. I've been on a 207 between West Ealing and Acton at around 3:30pm and I have to say at school kick out times the route really appears to be struggling as a result of its frequency reduction. The dwell times are painfully long now and buses are so full people are often left behind. I've seen several people sitting on the stairs and upper deck to make more room on the lower deck with every seat on the upper deck taken. The bus I was on was curtailed to Acton High Street, perhaps it was running late before I boarded but the long dwell times at stops and busy nature of the route at certain times are making it a nightmare to use. The other day I was walking along the Uxbridge Road at about 8:10am. I saw a 207 crush loaded whilst there was a busy but not packed 427 behind picking up the passengers who couldn't get on the 207. God forbid when the 427 is cut especially with the 207 and 483 having had frequency reductions lately |
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Post by rj131 on Jul 4, 2019 12:45:55 GMT
I wonder why it’s been postponed though, perhaps they’re rethinking it. There certainly wasn’t a delay in the 128 consultation. I hope so too it’s not actually going to happen anymore. I always get on a 207 at White City so I can get a good seat on the bus, I imagine it’s a tactic used by quite a few in the peaks because I imagine (and have seen) the 207 stop at Shepherd’s Bush getting overwhelmed and some people not being able to board the first bus because it’s too busy. I think it’s useful for the travel savvy Indeed. I've been on a 207 between West Ealing and Acton at around 3:30pm and I have to say at school kick out times the route really appears to be struggling as a result of its frequency reduction. The dwell times are painfully long now and buses are so full people are often left behind. I've seen several people sitting on the stairs and upper deck to make more room on the lower deck with every seat on the upper deck taken. The bus I was on was curtailed to Acton High Street, perhaps it was running late before I boarded but the long dwell times at stops and busy nature of the route at certain times are making it a nightmare to use. The other day I was walking along the Uxbridge Road at about 8:10am. I saw a 207 crush loaded whilst there was a busy but not packed 427 behind picking up the passengers who couldn't get on the 207. God forbid when the 427 is cut especially with the 207 and 483 having had frequency reductions lately Who knows though, when the Liz Line opens a lot of people might flock to that instead. I’m in no way defending the 427 curtailment, but it *may* ease the Uxbridge Road overcrowding, but on the other hand it may not and the 207/607 become impossible to board. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 4, 2019 14:27:13 GMT
does anyone know about the standing arrangements vjaska mentioned? (the space under Westfield and what routes go there) i couldn't find any pictures. Once buses serve the alighting point at the bus station, they use the bus station to head back towards Shepherds Bush, past the old shed and then turn right onto Ariel Way to go underneath Westfield before turning left and then right to stand in the room underneath Westfield. Upon leaving the room, buses turn right into Ariel Way that runs underneath Westfield and then run to White City Bus Station to pick up at the first stop - it probably adds an extra minute over the old arrangement. All routes stand there except for the 228 which doesn't terminate and passes by on Ariel Way. Check out Google Street for a view of the arrangement. |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 4, 2019 15:38:08 GMT
Indeed. I've been on a 207 between West Ealing and Acton at around 3:30pm and I have to say at school kick out times the route really appears to be struggling as a result of its frequency reduction. The dwell times are painfully long now and buses are so full people are often left behind. I've seen several people sitting on the stairs and upper deck to make more room on the lower deck with every seat on the upper deck taken. The bus I was on was curtailed to Acton High Street, perhaps it was running late before I boarded but the long dwell times at stops and busy nature of the route at certain times are making it a nightmare to use. The other day I was walking along the Uxbridge Road at about 8:10am. I saw a 207 crush loaded whilst there was a busy but not packed 427 behind picking up the passengers who couldn't get on the 207. God forbid when the 427 is cut especially with the 207 and 483 having had frequency reductions lately Who knows though, when the Liz Line opens a lot of people might flock to that instead. I’m in no way defending the 427 curtailment, but it *may* ease the Uxbridge Road overcrowding, but on the other hand it may not and the 207/607 become impossible to board. I feel TfL are arrogantly assuming many 427 passengers want Crossrail by downgrading the route into effectively a Crossrail feeder service. Yes its true to say that a lot of people get off 427s at Ealing Broadway to board the Underground and some of those people may be able to save some time by jumping on Crossrail at Southall instead but many 427 passengers may not have a destination which is on Crossrail. Furthermore, the 427 is used to get to places such as Ealing Hospital providing a useful link from to the Hospital from the West. I think demand on the Uxbridge Road will decrease but I do feel for many who will lose direct connections to their desired destination. Its a double edged sword really. On the one hand, a new link to Crossrail is created by the 427 change which could be quite popular but on the other hand a cautious person such as myself would have looked to see how demand changed when Crossrail opens. I do think the reliability of TfL's modelling is questionable when they keep tampering with routes such as the 100, 172, and 388 |
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Post by rif153 on Oct 27, 2019 20:33:19 GMT
Sorry to drag this thread up.
Have noticed an increase in buses standing, dumped in the bus station. I'm now seeing an increasing number of late running buses either serve the alighting point, or their first stop to let passengers off - the latter happened to me on the 49 today, and I also observed a 207 standing at its first stop. This is the problem with the standing arrangments, if you only have five minutes of stand time (as I hear Abellio bids cut stand time to five minutes) and you're running late, suddenly there is little point in running light back from the bus station to the stand, only to return back to the bus station. I know that drivers are allowed to take five minutes even if they're running late, but I guess that many drivers don't feel its wortwhile running light to the stand and back. I mean its not ideal, but it isn't the end of the world either, just shows that the bus stand would ideally be closer to the bus station.
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 28, 2019 19:14:46 GMT
Where does the 237 stand? Same place?
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Post by rif153 on Oct 28, 2019 22:13:16 GMT
Where does the 237 stand? Same place? All routes terminating at White City Bus Station - 31, 49, N148, 207, 237, 260, 316, 607, C1 - stand in the same place, there’s a stand area under the Westfield complex which you pass when on any route heading to the bus station. The irony is that now buses have to dead run back from the bus station towards Shepherd’s Bush to stand, hence why TfL were planning on cutting back the 207 and 607. |
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