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Post by 17858 on Aug 13, 2019 9:34:19 GMT
From time to time I get emails or phone calls offering me roles. A few months back I was ‘offered’ £13 an hour, Great I thought, Then the catch.... it’s £13 an hour but it’s umbrella pay which means I pay my own deductions plus payroll and employer! Taking it down to about £9.40 an hour! It’s a joke and I honestly feel bus drivers aren’t any better off than they was in the past. I’m not a moaning bus driver and I do understand that books have to be balanced but the blunt truth is without drivers no buses would run.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 10:28:18 GMT
What is disgusting? Trying to reduce driver fatigue? How do you do that other than by reducing hours? Because it clearly isn’t what they’re trying to achieve. Let me try and find where the link is to the video. EDIT: It’s on page 80 of the Central London Bus Cuts Consultation thread. I'll watch the video when I get time. On the subject of pay rates Arriva at Gillingham are advertising for drivers at £12ph.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 10:45:12 GMT
What is disgusting? Trying to reduce driver fatigue? How do you do that other than by reducing hours? If you believe that, you'll believe anything. I'll make my own mind up when I've seen the video if it's all the same to you?
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Post by paulsw2 on Aug 13, 2019 11:22:20 GMT
What is disgusting? Trying to reduce driver fatigue? How do you do that other than by reducing hours? If you believe that, you'll believe anything. A spreadover duty could pay 12 hours for 8 hours driving and 4 hour break so for 5 days = 60 hours pay if the company splits the duties into two duties of 6 hours they get more driving from staff but less wages to pay getting rid of spreadovers is a financial saving for the company that is all Also when it comes to bank holiday working senior staff (higher pay rates) tend to get booked off and cheaper drivers (newbies) get rostered to work again saving company money this is the problem of having a tiered wage structure it should be 1 rate of pay for all the drivers.
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Post by Volvo on Aug 13, 2019 12:14:03 GMT
New driver is £10.64 Driver with PCV and 2-4 years experience £11.25 Driver with 4-8 years experience £11.68 Driver with 8-12 years experience £13.69 ( before 2013 you had to 'only' have 5 years experience, they since moved it to 8 years. Driver with 12+ years £13.81 Stagecoach Rainham 2 years service and you are on £13 You say that but at SLN you only get paid for 38hours so that £13 doesn't tell the whole story. For example at arriva I was on 10.62 before last December when it changed to £11.25 and I was making around £70-90 a week more than being at Soverign on 12.34 reason being arriva pay you for example 11 hours for a 8 hour duty. Soveriegn most duties only pay 5-7 hours so i have to end up doing 6 days a week to sort of be where I was weekly at arriva. Now I am on 12.71 it still isn't much better as I still have to do 6 days a week to make what I was making 5 days a week at arriva. At sovereign like stagecoach they mainly give you 38 hours a week which is not enough as you only make around 360-380. I need to be doing 45 hours or more to match what I was making at Arriva even on a higher hourly rate. If you are to to 5 days here to match what I was making at Arriva I need to be at work practically the whole day for example on Sunday on the 139, 10.42 to 2101 and I only got paid 9hr19 and the duty is 10hr19 and despite in the contract it says your paid for all except 40 minutes meal realief, that's 59 minutes you don't get paid for and this is most duties they take away upto 1 hour pay for break. If your break is more than 1 hour then after 1 hour has been deducted you get paid for the rest like for example on Sunday my break was 2 hours 10 minutes. Only thing I really find annoying about arriva pay is you have to wait 8 years!! To go onto 13.69 that's a joke. Another thing to note between arriva and Soverign pay again is from October I will be on £15.37ph compared to many of my friends still at arriva on £13.69 but unless I get over 50hours or more per week I will still be earning less than them.
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Post by VPL630 on Aug 13, 2019 13:29:13 GMT
Stagecoach Rainham 2 years service and you are on £13 You say that but at SLN you only get paid for 38hours so that £13 doesn't tell the whole story. For example at arriva I was on 10.62 before last December when it changed to £11.25 and I was making around £70-90 a week more than being at Soverign on 12.34 reason being arriva pay you for example 11 hours for a 8 hour duty. Soveriegn most duties only pay 5-7 hours so i have to end up doing 6 days a week to sort of be where I was weekly at arriva. Now I am on 12.71 it still isn't much better as I still have to do 6 days a week to make what I was making 5 days a week at arriva. At sovereign like stagecoach they mainly give you 38 hours a week which is not enough as you only make around 360-380. I need to be doing 45 hours or more to match what I was making at Arriva even on a higher hourly rate. If you are to to 5 days here to match what I was making at Arriva I need to be at work practically the whole day for example on Sunday on the 139, 10.42 to 2101 and I only got paid 9hr19 and the duty is 10hr19 and despite in the contract it says your paid for all except 40 minutes meal realief, that's 59 minutes you don't get paid for and this is most duties they take away upto 1 hour pay for break. If your break is more than 1 hour then after 1 hour has been deducted you get paid for the rest like for example on Sunday my break was 2 hours 10 minutes. Only thing I really find annoying about arriva pay is you have to wait 8 years!! To go onto 13.69 that's a joke. Another thing to note between arriva and Soverign pay again is from October I will be on £15.37ph compared to many of my friends still at arriva on £13.69 but unless I get over 50hours or more per week I will still be earning less than them. Hence why I said Rainham, where you are paid 45 hours East London are on £15 something for 38 hours after 2 years
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Post by Volvo on Aug 13, 2019 13:35:32 GMT
You say that but at SLN you only get paid for 38hours so that £13 doesn't tell the whole story. For example at arriva I was on 10.62 before last December when it changed to £11.25 and I was making around £70-90 a week more than being at Soverign on 12.34 reason being arriva pay you for example 11 hours for a 8 hour duty. Soveriegn most duties only pay 5-7 hours so i have to end up doing 6 days a week to sort of be where I was weekly at arriva. Now I am on 12.71 it still isn't much better as I still have to do 6 days a week to make what I was making 5 days a week at arriva. At sovereign like stagecoach they mainly give you 38 hours a week which is not enough as you only make around 360-380. I need to be doing 45 hours or more to match what I was making at Arriva even on a higher hourly rate. If you are to to 5 days here to match what I was making at Arriva I need to be at work practically the whole day for example on Sunday on the 139, 10.42 to 2101 and I only got paid 9hr19 and the duty is 10hr19 and despite in the contract it says your paid for all except 40 minutes meal realief, that's 59 minutes you don't get paid for and this is most duties they take away upto 1 hour pay for break. If your break is more than 1 hour then after 1 hour has been deducted you get paid for the rest like for example on Sunday my break was 2 hours 10 minutes. Only thing I really find annoying about arriva pay is you have to wait 8 years!! To go onto 13.69 that's a joke. Another thing to note between arriva and Soverign pay again is from October I will be on £15.37ph compared to many of my friends still at arriva on £13.69 but unless I get over 50hours or more per week I will still be earning less than them. Hence why I said Rainham, where you are paid 45 hours East London are on £15 something for 38 hours after 2 years Well you did just say rainham your paid £13ph without stating 45hours pay so I just took it as the standard which is 38 hours.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 13, 2019 13:39:31 GMT
If you believe that, you'll believe anything. A spreadover duty could pay 12 hours for 8 hours driving and 4 hour break so for 5 days = 60 hours pay if the company splits the duties into two duties of 6 hours they get more driving from staff but less wages to pay getting rid of spreadovers is a financial saving for the company that is all Also when it comes to bank holiday working senior staff (higher pay rates) tend to get booked off and cheaper drivers (newbies) get rostered to work again saving company money this is the problem of having a tiered wage structure it should be 1 rate of pay for all the drivers. I hear that and accept what your saying, just that usually there are several reasons including a couple of shady ones.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 10:29:06 GMT
What is disgusting? Trying to reduce driver fatigue? How do you do that other than by reducing hours? Because it clearly isn’t what they’re trying to achieve. Let me try and find where the link is to the video. EDIT: It’s on page 80 of the Central London Bus Cuts Consultation thread. I've watched the video and I don't see the problem. The driver said he is contracted to do 38 hours a week. Anything beyond that is by mutual agreement, Go Ahead don't have to offer him overtime and if they do he doesn't have to do it. Whether it's about driver fatigue or not is somewhat irrelevant.
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Post by theartilleryman on Aug 19, 2019 23:01:55 GMT
A few years ago Arriva was proposing to cut the hourly rate for the top rate driver's, but we were told we wouldn't be earning less as they were going to increase our hours.
Glad to say I'm out of the industry.
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