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Post by route53 on May 5, 2020 10:28:18 GMT
I would like to see Sydenham line trains return to running through to Caterham & Tattenham Corner, semi fast of course between Purley & Sydenham with only East Croydon as the intermediate station. I think there is scope for a semi fast service on the Sydenham line, since Penge West and Anerley are quiet stations, Norwood Junction has fast services.
Extend the ELL to Sutton.
Perhaps make the Caterham service via Sydenham a Thameslink service replacing the Rainham service, this could carry on to Luton.
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Post by metrobusfan on May 5, 2020 10:44:19 GMT
I would like to see Sydenham line trains return to running through to Caterham & Tattenham Corner, semi fast of course between Purley & Sydenham with only East Croydon as the intermediate station. I think there is scope for a semi fast service on the Sydenham line, since Penge West and Anerley are quiet stations, Norwood Junction has fast services. Extend the ELL to Sutton. Perhaps make the Caterham service via Sydenham a Thameslink service replacing the Rainham service, this could carry on to Luton. Ell to sutton would be good
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Post by barrypotter on May 5, 2020 13:26:16 GMT
I would like to see Sydenham line trains return to running through to Caterham & Tattenham Corner, semi fast of course between Purley & Sydenham with only East Croydon as the intermediate station. I think there is scope for a semi fast service on the Sydenham line, since Penge West and Anerley are quiet stations, Norwood Junction has fast services. Extend the ELL to Sutton. Perhaps make the Caterham service via Sydenham a Thameslink service replacing the Rainham service, this could carry on to Luton. Ell to sutton would be good My old eyes. I thought you wrote EL1 to Sutton. That would be good.
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Post by SILENCED on May 5, 2020 13:40:03 GMT
I would like to see Sydenham line trains return to running through to Caterham & Tattenham Corner, semi fast of course between Purley & Sydenham with only East Croydon as the intermediate station. I think there is scope for a semi fast service on the Sydenham line, since Penge West and Anerley are quiet stations, Norwood Junction has fast services. Extend the ELL to Sutton. Perhaps make the Caterham service via Sydenham a Thameslink service replacing the Rainham service, this could carry on to Luton. Ell to sutton would be good Ell to Sutton would be a bad move, trains would be full before they reached the current stations. Whoever thinks a network operated by 5-car trains will work ... should think why Southern operate 12/10 car units. The Overground service is pretty ropey, not sure why most people are keen to expand it
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Post by metrobusfan on May 5, 2020 15:01:19 GMT
Ell to sutton would be good Ell to Sutton would be a bad move, trains would be full before they reached the current stations. Whoever thinks a network operated by 5-car trains will work ... should think why Southern operate 12/10 car units. The Overground service is pretty ropey, not sure why most people are keen to expand it They could have 2 fast services fron new cross gate to Norwood jnc then all stations to sutton
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Post by 700101 on May 5, 2020 15:36:17 GMT
Ell to Sutton would be a bad move, trains would be full before they reached the current stations. Whoever thinks a network operated by 5-car trains will work ... should think why Southern operate 12/10 car units. The Overground service is pretty ropey, not sure why most people are keen to expand it They could have 2 fast services fron new cross gate to Norwood jnc then all stations to sutton There’s no way ELL services can run on fast lines as there’s no crossovers for them to use that’s why when services are affected On slow lines ELL services are a always suspended south of NXG and Southern utilise the crossover from Platform 2 at NXG and run on fast lines after. Plus Southern already run a fast service to Epsom via Sutton as a 10car, it would be good if an Epsom or Bedford to Brighton/Gatwick service could call at NXG, off peak this could be accommodated both directions but during peak hours only a southbound fast southern service using platform 2 could work
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Post by metrobusfan on May 5, 2020 15:38:55 GMT
They could have 2 fast services fron new cross gate to Norwood jnc then all stations to sutton There’s no way ELL services can run on fast lines as there’s no crossovers for them to use that’s why when services are affected On slow lines ELL services are a always suspended south of NXG and Southern utilise the crossover from Platform 2 at NXG and run on fast lines after. Plus Southern already run a fast service to Epsom via Sutton as a 10car, it would be good if an Epsom or Bedford to Brighton/Gatwick service could call at NXG, off peak this could be accommodated both directions but during peak hours only a southbound fast southern service using platform 2 could work I got the crossover at New Cross gate mixed up.
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Post by rif153 on May 5, 2020 16:24:15 GMT
They could have 2 fast services fron new cross gate to Norwood jnc then all stations to sutton There’s no way ELL services can run on fast lines as there’s no crossovers for them to use that’s why when services are affected On slow lines ELL services are a always suspended south of NXG and Southern utilise the crossover from Platform 2 at NXG and run on fast lines after. Plus Southern already run a fast service to Epsom via Sutton as a 10car, it would be good if an Epsom or Bedford to Brighton/Gatwick service could call at NXG, off peak this could be accommodated both directions but during peak hours only a southbound fast southern service using platform 2 could work It would have been great if the Thameslink services to Horsham went via Epsom instead as you say however of course Sutton already has the Thameslink on the loop - though I favour severing that off to terminate at Blackfriars and then transferring it to London Overground.
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Post by route53 on May 5, 2020 17:01:26 GMT
There’s no way ELL services can run on fast lines as there’s no crossovers for them to use that’s why when services are affected On slow lines ELL services are a always suspended south of NXG and Southern utilise the crossover from Platform 2 at NXG and run on fast lines after. Plus Southern already run a fast service to Epsom via Sutton as a 10car, it would be good if an Epsom or Bedford to Brighton/Gatwick service could call at NXG, off peak this could be accommodated both directions but during peak hours only a southbound fast southern service using platform 2 could work It would have been great if the Thameslink services to Horsham went via Epsom instead as you say however of course Sutton already has the Thameslink on the loop - though I favour severing that off to terminate at Blackfriars and then transferring it to London Overground. The Sutton-Wimbledon loop is better suited to to being an LO route, that along with the Catford line to Sevenoaks. Thameslink shouldn’t be a mixture between a glorified tube line and a Cross London inter urban express, Thameslink should just be an interurban express network, no all stations services, fast or semi fast only
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Post by rif153 on May 5, 2020 17:09:16 GMT
It would have been great if the Thameslink services to Horsham went via Epsom instead as you say however of course Sutton already has the Thameslink on the loop - though I favour severing that off to terminate at Blackfriars and then transferring it to London Overground. The Sutton-Wimbledon loop is better suited to to being an LO route, that along with the Catford line to Sevenoaks. Thameslink shouldn’t be a mixture between a glorified tube line and a Cross London inter urban express, Thameslink should just be an interurban express network, no all stations services, fast or semi fast only Were money no object, I'd extend the District Line from Wimbledon to Sutton; two terminating platforms would be converted into through platforms and an underpass under the mainline would need to be built. It would bring the Underground to Sutton and TfL could give the neglected stations on the loop some TLC. However, I realise money is an object and this would be expensive and not feasible. Nevertheless, the Sutton loop is neglected and I TfL could improve the loop and make it more attractive - I have friends who live in the area and wouldn't dream of using the Sutton loop, instead going to Morden to get the Northern Line.
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Post by metrobusfan on May 5, 2020 17:40:20 GMT
There’s no way ELL services can run on fast lines as there’s no crossovers for them to use that’s why when services are affected On slow lines ELL services are a always suspended south of NXG and Southern utilise the crossover from Platform 2 at NXG and run on fast lines after. Plus Southern already run a fast service to Epsom via Sutton as a 10car, it would be good if an Epsom or Bedford to Brighton/Gatwick service could call at NXG, off peak this could be accommodated both directions but during peak hours only a southbound fast southern service using platform 2 could work It would have been great if the Thameslink services to Horsham went via Epsom instead as you say however of course Sutton already has the Thameslink on the loop - though I favour severing that off to terminate at Blackfriars and then transferring it to London Overground. I'm surprised they didn't go via Epsom instead of Gatwick. When I worked for them there was one Peterborough service that got diverted that way
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Post by ADH45258 on May 5, 2020 22:31:51 GMT
There’s no way ELL services can run on fast lines as there’s no crossovers for them to use that’s why when services are affected On slow lines ELL services are a always suspended south of NXG and Southern utilise the crossover from Platform 2 at NXG and run on fast lines after. Plus Southern already run a fast service to Epsom via Sutton as a 10car, it would be good if an Epsom or Bedford to Brighton/Gatwick service could call at NXG, off peak this could be accommodated both directions but during peak hours only a southbound fast southern service using platform 2 could work It would have been great if the Thameslink services to Horsham went via Epsom instead as you say however of course Sutton already has the Thameslink on the loop - though I favour severing that off to terminate at Blackfriars and then transferring it to London Overground. I think at one point the plan was for Sutton loop services to terminate at Blackfriars, with possible separation and transfer to TFL. I think Thameslink should just operate the through services via London Bridge, with those via Elephant & Castle terminating at Blackfriars and run by LO (both Sutton loop and Orpington/Sevenoaks).
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Post by 700101 on May 6, 2020 10:00:36 GMT
It would have been great if the Thameslink services to Horsham went via Epsom instead as you say however of course Sutton already has the Thameslink on the loop - though I favour severing that off to terminate at Blackfriars and then transferring it to London Overground. I think at one point the plan was for Sutton loop services to terminate at Blackfriars, with possible separation and transfer to TFL. I think Thameslink should just operate the through services via London Bridge, with those via Elephant & Castle terminating at Blackfriars and run by LO (both Sutton loop and Orpington/Sevenoaks). Sutton service changes with an increase of 4tph were opposed by a MP & passengers along that route as they wanted to keep there services running through the core as they believed the extra 2/3 minutes changing trains would cause problems for them but are now complaining there services are overcrowded. In my opinion all Sutton services should run to/from Blackfriars with TFL taking over and increase to 4tph with new trains ordered and all Catford Loop services to run through the core, looking at the current timetable the Rainhams & Orpington’s to/from St Albans as these services currently run 15 mins apart in the core and Sevenoaks to/from Luton to avoid retiming any Catford loop services as this would impact SE in the Kent area. Once TFL ordered new trains for Sutton services the 700’s could transfer back to TL to increase services
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Post by SILENCED on May 6, 2020 10:21:05 GMT
I think at one point the plan was for Sutton loop services to terminate at Blackfriars, with possible separation and transfer to TFL. I think Thameslink should just operate the through services via London Bridge, with those via Elephant & Castle terminating at Blackfriars and run by LO (both Sutton loop and Orpington/Sevenoaks). Sutton service changes with an increase of 4tph were opposed by a MP & passengers along that route as they wanted to keep there services running through the core as they believed the extra 2/3 minutes changing trains would cause problems for them but are now complaining there services are overcrowded. In my opinion all Sutton services should run to/from Blackfriars with TFL taking over and increase to 4tph with new trains ordered and all Catford Loop services to run through the core, looking at the current timetable the Rainhams & Orpington’s to/from St Albans as these services currently run 15 mins apart in the core and Sevenoaks to/from Luton to avoid retiming any Catford loop services as this would impact SE in the Kent area. Once TFL ordered new trains for Sutton services the 700’s could transfer back to TL to increase services Big flaw he is TfL have no money to order new trains ... or probably pay for the 700s ... TfL is virtually bankrupt.
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Post by route53 on May 6, 2020 14:02:13 GMT
The Catford line could run through the core as a LO route, 4tph Sevenoaks to St. Albans
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