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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 19:46:42 GMT
Can't wait to see where the 5 712 619 passengers from the 48 will go come October!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 19:48:55 GMT
Been think what has caused a sudden increase on the 330 - all I could think was the Goblin closure, maybe passengers travelling from Wanstead Park Station towards Forest Gate..... TfL got £1.50 out of the people who potentially didn't know the distance between the two stations, when they could've walked about a minute down the road, and beaten the bus in some cases. Sorry I wasn't very clear - I was thinking more making alternative journeys so towards Forest Gate then onwards towards Manor Park / Barking area
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 30, 2019 19:49:11 GMT
Quite possibly a proportion will transfer to the 35/47/149/388 as part of the large crowds coming out of London Bridge
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Post by rif153 on Aug 30, 2019 19:50:04 GMT
Can't wait to see where the 5 712 619 passengers from the 48 will go come October! Up the back staircase of an LT on the 55!
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Post by routew15 on Aug 30, 2019 19:52:32 GMT
Thank you for working out these figures for us No surprise regarding the 25 and 425. A few other increases are quite interesting, 521, 4, 87 and 381 are all Central London routes and have seen hikes. I wonder what has caused these as I can't recall any major changes on these routes or along parallel routes before April. I wonder what on earth caused that huge fall on the 228 and 224. The 24 seems to be a route that's digging its own grave, the mentality that it's an untouchable route is eventually going to kill it. It's affected by so much traffic and demos that it's a pain to use and something needs to be done about it. The 63 is an interesting one, I wonder if the 363 is taking away a lot of custom from it. The 23 and 277 are both self explanatory. I think the most interesting increase is the 201 - nothing particularly special has happened to it for a while now so wonder where the increase has come from. It’s been a busy route for as long as I’ve used it back in it’s early days with Mitcham Belle as a Tulse Hill to Mitcham route and has remained busy ever since. I think the increase may be due to the unreliability of the Thameslink due to the May 2018 timetable change vs. the reliable/frequent Northern Line
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Post by LVF_Admin on Aug 30, 2019 20:15:19 GMT
Biggest increases:- 1. 425: 93.1% 2. R2: 12.1% 3. 178: 10.7% 4. 521: 10.4% 5. 330: 10.4% 6. 4: 9.3% 7. 201: 8.8% 8. 87: 8.6% 9. 381: 8.0% 10. 203: 8.0% Biggest decreases:- 1. 228: -23.8% 2. 25: -21.3% 3. 224: -19.1% 4. 24: -16.8% 5. H26: -16.5% 6. 63: -15.9% 7. 23: -15.1% 8. 277: -14.9% 9. W12: -14.1% 10. 491: -13.9% I wonder if the DD appearances are encouraging people to use the 203, many routes which have been decked have seen their patronage increase. Unsurprisingly, three of thr routes to have lost patronage have all fallen victim to cutbacks, being the 23, 25, and 277. The 4 is a really interesting one. Its patronage has gone up, yet the rerouting was only recent so this doesn't tell the fully story. In retrospect seeing the 4 hacked back when its patronage increased seems daft. Not at all surprised to see the 178 in there, since going to GAL and being decked the service is much more reliable and therefore used as opposed to people not waiting for a bus that has gone through early.
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Post by rj131 on Aug 30, 2019 20:15:23 GMT
Thanks for this Eastlondoner62 !! Gutted the 25 lost the top spot but we’ll see, it may win the crown back once more. The 25’s main competitors are in rapid rapid decline, namely the 18, 29 and 149, the 140 will also fall too when that gets cut. The 25 would have fallen due to its change but there’s no doubt its getting busier again, all 25’s are totally rammed in the peaks and loads are off peak too. This didn’t happen when it was first cut back so it looks like its bucking the trend and picking up. I certainly hope so!! When I get the chance I will do my calculation of estimates to work out what the patronage would have been had it have been measured under the old methodology. Then some proper viable comparisons can be made On the subject of other routes the 277’s constant growth has been ruined, what a surprise. I hope and pray when the Highbury works are finished it gets restored there and it’s patronage can recover. Unsurprisingly the 30’s patronage has jumped as a result. The 178’s decking has clearly done it a lot of good too, a really good increase there just goes to show route passengers really get on board with route improvements. So people who are saying the 466’s frequency increase is excessive with the 407’s decking, this is probably what TfL are trying to achieve, a more enhanced service will attract new custom so hopefully the extra capacity will be used up
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 30, 2019 20:28:40 GMT
Can't wait to see where the 5 712 619 passengers from the 48 will go come October! Up the back staircase of an LT on the 55! Say that impersonating Kenneth Williams!
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 30, 2019 20:52:05 GMT
Thanks for this Eastlondoner62 !! Gutted the 25 lost the top spot but we’ll see, it may win the crown back once more. The 25’s main competitors are in rapid rapid decline, namely the 18, 29 and 149, the 140 will also fall too when that gets cut. The 25 would have fallen due to its change but there’s no doubt its getting busier again, all 25’s are totally rammed in the peaks and loads are off peak too. This didn’t happen when it was first cut back so it looks like its bucking the trend and picking up. I certainly hope so!! When I get the chance I will do my calculation of estimates to work out what the patronage would have been had it have been measured under the old methodology. Then some proper viable comparisons can be made On the subject of other routes the 277’s constant growth has been ruined, what a surprise. I hope and pray when the Highbury works are finished it gets restored there and it’s patronage can recover. Unsurprisingly the 30’s patronage has jumped as a result. The 178’s decking has clearly done it a lot of good too, a really good increase there just goes to show route passengers really get on board with route improvements. So people who are saying the 466’s frequency increase is excessive with the 407’s decking, this is probably what TfL are trying to achieve, a more enhanced service will attract new custom so hopefully the extra capacity will be used up Indeed, while the 25 doesn't go to Oxford Circus anymore its still busy as ever, even its more a Inner London route than a Central London route of what I used to be, I'd say the 25 is now more or less the East London equivalent of the 149 where both routes run little bit in Central London then runs mostly run in Inner London where both routes are its busiest points and then runs little bit outside the North Circular, plus both routes are ex bendy routes as well.
As for the 466, Having went on that route today to Caterham-on-the-Hill and back to Croydon while bashing those beasty DB250 DW's the route is well loaded from my off-peak observations and that includes the Caterham end of route where dozen sets of people was waiting for the 466 along that stretch so the frequency increase is a good thing especially during school hours.
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Post by thesquirrels on Aug 30, 2019 21:16:54 GMT
10 busiest routes in terms of passengers per km operated: W7: 10.63 330: 9.35 41: 9.26 104: 8.77 58: 8.72 69: 8.67 29: 8.59 109: 8.39 238: 8.35 507: 8.27
10 busiest single decker routes in terms of passengers per km operated: 507: 8.27 521: 6.85 355: 5.77 316: 5.60 214: 5.23 195: 5.11 D6: 5.09 200: 4.89 C11: 4.81 W4: 4.68
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Post by lundnah on Aug 30, 2019 21:21:24 GMT
Thanks for this Eastlondoner62 !! Gutted the 25 lost the top spot but we’ll see, it may win the crown back once more. The 25’s main competitors are in rapid rapid decline, namely the 18, 29 and 149, the 140 will also fall too when that gets cut. The 25 would have fallen due to its change but there’s no doubt its getting busier again, all 25’s are totally rammed in the peaks and loads are off peak too. This didn’t happen when it was first cut back so it looks like its bucking the trend and picking up. I certainly hope so!! The data is from April 2018 to March 2019.
Short journeys on route 25 were ended about halfway through that period. The curtailment to City Thameslink occurred eight months in.
Route 25's annual passenger total still dropped by as much as 20%, even though it ran perfectly normally for the first six months.
It won't be retaining the top spot next year.
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 30, 2019 21:36:09 GMT
Now its time for some stats for night routes Top 5 daily night routes: N15 1 274 017 N29 1 188 479 N25 1 096 796 N207 952 869 N18 951 153 Bottom 5 daily night routes: N85 65 717 N33 58 917 N474 58 027 N213 44 863 N365 43 991 Also a honorable mention to the NC2 which just had usage of 29,810 in its final 12 months which is less than the weekend only night routes 123 and 145. Top 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N145 33 216 N123 32 031 N183 29 578 N158 28 844 N34 27 825 Bottom 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N132 16 301 N307 16 250 NH32 11 549 NE1 11 354 NH37 8 067
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 21:48:58 GMT
Now its time for some stats for night routes Top 5 daily night routes: N15 1 274 017 N29 1 188 479 N25 1 096 796 N207 952 869 N18 951 153 Bottom 5 daily night routes: N85 65 717 N33 58 917 N474 58 027 N213 44 863 N365 43 991 Also a honorable mention to the NC2 which just had usage of 29,810 in its final 12 months which is less than the weekend only night routes 123 and 145. Top 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N145 33 216 N123 32 031 N183 29 578 N158 28 844 N34 27 825 Bottom 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N132 16 301 N307 16 250 NH32 11 549 NE1 11 354 NH37 8 067 Not good figures for the NEL1 and N365!
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Post by vjaska on Aug 30, 2019 21:49:41 GMT
10 busiest routes in terms of passengers per km operated: W7: 10.63 330: 9.35 41: 9.26 104: 8.77 58: 8.72 69: 8.67 29: 8.59 109: 8.39 238: 8.35 507: 8.27 10 busiest single decker routes in terms of passengers per km operated: 507: 8.27 521: 6.85 355: 5.77 316: 5.60 214: 5.23 195: 5.11 D6: 5.09 200: 4.89 C11: 4.81 W4: 4.68 Interesting results - the 2nd column isn't too surprising especially given how many people have said that all but the 507, C11 & W4 should be double decked. Also not surprised to see a few Stratford routes in the 1st column along with the 109 and usual suspects of the 29 & W7. I'm a tad surprised by the 41 though and how high up it is.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 30, 2019 21:51:27 GMT
Now its time for some stats for night routes Top 5 daily night routes: N15 1 274 017 N29 1 188 479 N25 1 096 796 N207 952 869 N18 951 153 Bottom 5 daily night routes: N85 65 717 N33 58 917 N474 58 027 N213 44 863 N365 43 991 Also a honorable mention to the NC2 which just had usage of 29,810 in its final 12 months which is less than the weekend only night routes 123 and 145. Top 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N145 33 216 N123 32 031 N183 29 578 N158 28 844 N34 27 825 Bottom 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N132 16 301 N307 16 250 NH32 11 549 NE1 11 354 NH37 8 067 Not good figures for the NEL1 and N365! True although in defence of the N365, it's remarkable that it's only 1,000 behind the N213 which had a rather vocal campaign for it to be introduced unlike the N365
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