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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 30, 2019 21:56:38 GMT
10 busiest routes in terms of passengers per km operated: W7: 10.63 330: 9.35 41: 9.26 104: 8.77 58: 8.72 69: 8.67 29: 8.59 109: 8.39 238: 8.35 507: 8.27 10 busiest single decker routes in terms of passengers per km operated: 507: 8.27 521: 6.85 355: 5.77 316: 5.60 214: 5.23 195: 5.11 D6: 5.09 200: 4.89 C11: 4.81 W4: 4.68 Interesting results - the 2nd column isn't too surprising especially given how many people have said that all but the 507, C11 & W4 should be double decked. Also not surprised to see a few Stratford routes in the 1st column along with the 109 and usual suspects of the 29 & W7. I'm a tad surprised by the 41 though and how high up it is. The 507 could be converted to DD operation, but is such a short route that not many passengers would go upstairs. Unless it were to be merged into another route, e.g. extending the 381 to Victoria. With route W4, this is probably busy due to using single-door vehicles, however the W4 did previously see use sometimes of the 299's slightly longer SENs at Go Ahead. Could we see the W4 upgraded to ENS-size vehicles, with the W4's ENNs going to the 318? The C11 is on the list as it recently had a frequency cut. TFL should really reverse this change (as with route H12), especially with other planned frequency increases outside of central London. Could the C11 take DEL-size vehicles - perhaps it could even take the MMCs ordered for the 393?
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Post by george on Aug 30, 2019 21:59:33 GMT
Interesting results - the 2nd column isn't too surprising especially given how many people have said that all but the 507, C11 & W4 should be double decked. Also not surprised to see a few Stratford routes in the 1st column along with the 109 and usual suspects of the 29 & W7. I'm a tad surprised by the 41 though and how high up it is. The 507 could be converted to DD operation, but is such a short route that not many passengers would go upstairs. Unless it were to be merged into another route, e.g. extending the 381 to Victoria. With route W4, this is probably busy due to using single-door vehicles, however the W4 did previously see use sometimes of the 299's slightly longer SENs at Go Ahead. Could we see the W4 upgraded to ENS-size vehicles, with the W4's ENNs going to the 318? The C11 is on the list as it recently had a frequency cut. TFL should really reverse this change (as with route H12), especially with other planned frequency increases outside of central London. Could the C11 take DEL-size vehicles - perhaps it could even take the MMCs ordered for the 393? Talking about people not wanting to go upstairs was on a 65 the other day where downstairs was packed to the point no one could get on but upstairs nearly all seats were free, the driver pressed "seats are available on the upper decker" but for some unknown reason the message wasn't getting through to people.
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 30, 2019 22:02:28 GMT
Not good figures for the NEL1 and N365! That stat of 11,354 was actually for the weekend only night E1 in Eaiing, NEL1 on the other hand has a usage of 109,656 so the night EL1 isn't doing too badly considering its a short route
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Post by vjaska on Aug 30, 2019 22:05:14 GMT
Interesting results - the 2nd column isn't too surprising especially given how many people have said that all but the 507, C11 & W4 should be double decked. Also not surprised to see a few Stratford routes in the 1st column along with the 109 and usual suspects of the 29 & W7. I'm a tad surprised by the 41 though and how high up it is. The 507 could be converted to DD operation, but is such a short route that not many passengers would go upstairs. Unless it were to be merged into another route, e.g. extending the 381 to Victoria. With route W4, this is probably busy due to using single-door vehicles, however the W4 did previously see use sometimes of the 299's slightly longer SENs at Go Ahead. Could we see the W4 upgraded to ENS-size vehicles, with the W4's ENNs going to the 318? The C11 is on the list as it recently had a frequency cut. TFL should really reverse this change (as with route H12), especially with other planned frequency increases outside of central London. Could the C11 take DEL-size vehicles - perhaps it could even take the MMCs ordered for the 393? The 507 exists in it's current routing because of it's nature as a Red Arrow route designed for moving commuters about just like the 521. Attaching the 381 over it just makes the 381 less reliable particularly as Victoria Street is prone to heavy traffic. Personally, it should of remained with MAL's just like the 521 - busy, short shuttle like routes are perfect IMO for Artics.
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Post by rj131 on Aug 30, 2019 22:41:29 GMT
I have to say this years figures make for pretty grim reading. Out of the 540 daytime routes still in operation today (latest figures has 543 but the 10, C2 and RV1 aren’t operating anymore), 210 routes saw increases while a whopping 330 decreased. To make it worse almost EVERY night route fell too, however night tube probably had a part to play in that. Last year a lot more than 210 routes saw increases (it wasn’t too far off half and half last year), which gave me a glimmer of hope that things would start to recover, but those hopes seem to have been washed away. However the optimist in me does hope next year’s will look a bit better with all the frequency increases happening across lots of outer London routes this year. I’ve done some number crunching on this years figures and I have attached a pdf below which has amalgamated all years from all routes into a single row. Also in the pdf (in the columns where the writing is in blue) I have done estimates for what the route figures would have been this year had they have been under the old methodology. This makes comparison across all years easier and gives you an idea of what the figure would have been had TfL not ‘inflated’ them with this new methodology, also with this new methodology some weird anomalies have cropped up, for the example the 423. No idea what’s happened to that route, but I figure that people travelling free on this route around Heathrow, ie not tapping in and drivers just letting people on, has affected it somewhat. Some surprises, the 11 and 38 actually gained passengers last year (somehow!!!). There are also some disappointments, the 173 fell last year despite me very recently banging on about how it’s been continually increasing every year, it appears to have run out of steam this year. Then there’s the 24 and 73 ... oh dear. Yet more huge slumps for those two routes. One more route worth a mention is that the 249 managed to have a difference of just *SIX* passengers between this year and last year, don’t think I’ve ever seen a route remain so stable. Attachment DeletedI hope you’re all able to view the pdf
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Post by busaholic on Aug 30, 2019 23:12:15 GMT
One more route worth a mention is that the 249 managed to have a difference of just *SIX* passengers between this year and last year, don’t think I’ve ever seen a route remain so stable. I hope you’re all able to view the pdf Nice to know the half dozen times I used the route that year made a difference.
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Post by ak121 on Aug 31, 2019 0:50:59 GMT
List of top 5 busiest bus routes using single door buses: 1. Route W4 Number of passengers: 3 437 986 (Rank 273) Kilometers operated: 734 804 Passengers per km: 4.68 Drop in number of passengers since last year
2. Route 192 Number of Passengers: 3 138 668 (Rank 290) Kilometers operated: 915 639 Pasengers per km: 3.43 Drop in number of passengers since last year
3. Route E5 Number of passengers: 2 592 222 (Rank 322) Kilometers operated: 702 586 Passengers per km: 3.69 Increase in number of passengers since last year
4. Route G1 Number of passengers: 2 345 192 (Rank 344) Kilometers operated: 753 770 Passengers per km: 3.11 Drop in number of passengers since last year
5. Route K1 Number of passengers: 2 262 789 (Rank 350) Kilometers operated: 745 570 Passengers per km: 3.03 Increase in number of passengers since last year
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Post by lundnah on Aug 31, 2019 7:55:16 GMT
One of the reasons so many routes saw a decrease is that last year's data covered 53 weeks and this year's covered 52 weeks.
That's a 1.9% decrease factored in for every route.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 31, 2019 7:57:54 GMT
Now its time for some stats for night routes Top 5 daily night routes: N15 1 274 017 N29 1 188 479 N25 1 096 796 N207 952 869 N18 951 153 Bottom 5 daily night routes: N85 65 717 N33 58 917 N474 58 027 N213 44 863 N365 43 991 Also a honorable mention to the NC2 which just had usage of 29,810 in its final 12 months which is less than the weekend only night routes 123 and 145. Top 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N145 33 216 N123 32 031 N183 29 578 N158 28 844 N34 27 825 Bottom 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N132 16 301 N307 16 250 NH32 11 549 NE1 11 354 NH37 8 067 I'm not too sure if the N15 has ever been the busiest night route, I know it always features in the top 5 but I suspect its every 10 minute frequency all night every night helps push the route to first. I won't talk about the 474N being in the bottom 5, instead I'll save my fighting talk till later... 😣 Not too surprising to see the 145N take the top spot for weekend 24-hour routes; beyond Martins Corner southbound, there is no other alertate night route for miles. That and a late start for the Tube on Sundays means a swell in patronage numbers. To put it into contrast, the 123N has three Tube lines feeding passengers to the route whereas the 145N only has the Central Line; and believe you me there's barely more than 5 people boarding the route at Leytonstone. There seems to be a recurring theme that most of the routes that see a decrease in numbers tend to be in west London. The best illustration is the 154N, which if I remember correctly was the top weekend 24-hour route last year but has now fallen from grace this year. Route 33N does not have the excuse of the Hammersmith Bridge closure as that occured after the 2018/19 financial year.
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Post by george on Aug 31, 2019 8:14:52 GMT
Now its time for some stats for night routes Top 5 daily night routes: N15 1 274 017 N29 1 188 479 N25 1 096 796 N207 952 869 N18 951 153 Bottom 5 daily night routes: N85 65 717 N33 58 917 N474 58 027 N213 44 863 N365 43 991 Also a honorable mention to the NC2 which just had usage of 29,810 in its final 12 months which is less than the weekend only night routes 123 and 145. Top 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N145 33 216 N123 32 031 N183 29 578 N158 28 844 N34 27 825 Bottom 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N132 16 301 N307 16 250 NH32 11 549 NE1 11 354 NH37 8 067 I wonder how much the N33 will have changed in the next data as that will take in the account of the new routing via Putney.
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Post by ronnie on Aug 31, 2019 8:47:50 GMT
Now its time for some stats for night routes Top 5 daily night routes: N15 1 274 017 N29 1 188 479 N25 1 096 796 N207 952 869 N18 951 153 Bottom 5 daily night routes: N85 65 717 N33 58 917 N474 58 027 N213 44 863 N365 43 991 Also a honorable mention to the NC2 which just had usage of 29,810 in its final 12 months which is less than the weekend only night routes 123 and 145. Top 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N145 33 216 N123 32 031 N183 29 578 N158 28 844 N34 27 825 Bottom 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N132 16 301 N307 16 250 NH32 11 549 NE1 11 354 NH37 8 067 I'm not too sure if the N15 has ever been the busiest night route, I know it always features in the top 5 but I suspect its every 10 minute frequency all night every night helps push the route to first. I won't talk about the 474N being in the bottom 5, instead I'll save my fighting talk till later... 😣 Not too surprising to see the 145N take the top spot for weekend 24-hour routes; beyond Martins Corner southbound, there is no other alertate night route for miles. That and a late start for the Tube on Sundays means a swell in patronage numbers. To put it into contrast, the 123N has three Tube lines feeding passengers to the route whereas the 145N only has the Central Line; and believe you me there's barely more than 5 people boarding the route at Leytonstone. There seems to be a recurring theme that most of the routes that see a decrease in numbers tend to be in west London. The best illustration is the 154N, which if I remember correctly was the top weekend 24-hour route last year but has now fallen from grace this year. Route 33N does not have the excuse of the Hammersmith Bridge closure as that occured after the 2018/19 financial year. I think the extension to Oxford Circus has worked for the N15 I have been doing a bunch of end to ends recently late in the evening (implying I end up at Trafalgar square between 1-3am!) and N15s have healthy loads for every trip I have seen - including a few which have been close to standing room only by the time its at Trafalgar square! Proves that reliable and frequent services end up being well used In fact the entire trio of N15, N550 and N551 is pretty well used (N15 being the busiest one of course)
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Post by rif153 on Aug 31, 2019 9:37:49 GMT
I'm not too sure if the N15 has ever been the busiest night route, I know it always features in the top 5 but I suspect its every 10 minute frequency all night every night helps push the route to first. I won't talk about the 474N being in the bottom 5, instead I'll save my fighting talk till later... 😣 Not too surprising to see the 145N take the top spot for weekend 24-hour routes; beyond Martins Corner southbound, there is no other alertate night route for miles. That and a late start for the Tube on Sundays means a swell in patronage numbers. To put it into contrast, the 123N has three Tube lines feeding passengers to the route whereas the 145N only has the Central Line; and believe you me there's barely more than 5 people boarding the route at Leytonstone. There seems to be a recurring theme that most of the routes that see a decrease in numbers tend to be in west London. The best illustration is the 154N, which if I remember correctly was the top weekend 24-hour route last year but has now fallen from grace this year. Route 33N does not have the excuse of the Hammersmith Bridge closure as that occured after the 2018/19 financial year. I think the extension to Oxford Circus has worked for the N15 I have been doing a bunch of end to ends recently late in the evening (implying I end up at Trafalgar square between 1-3am!) and N15s have healthy loads for every trip I have seen - including a few which have been close to standing room only by the time its at Trafalgar square! Proves that reliable and frequent services end up being well used In fact the entire trio of N15, N550 and N551 is pretty well used (N15 being the busiest one of course) Also proves there's scope to extend the 15 to Regent Stree5
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Post by thesquirrels on Aug 31, 2019 10:45:46 GMT
10 night routes with highest passengers per km N35: 3.95 N243: 3.21 N238: 3.04 N149: 3.004 N279: 3.001 N69: 2.96 N205: 2.88 N109: 2.86 N25: 2.77 N18: 2.641
10 night routes with fewest passengers per km N365: 0.49 H37: 0.53 N132: 0.595 N213: 0.604 N33: 0.61 N119: 0.64 N307: 0.65 C2: 0.65 N321: 0.681 N296: 0.722
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Post by ak121 on Aug 31, 2019 18:34:45 GMT
Now its time for some stats for night routes Top 5 daily night routes: N15 1 274 017 N29 1 188 479 N25 1 096 796 N207 952 869 N18 951 153 Bottom 5 daily night routes: N85 65 717 N33 58 917 N474 58 027 N213 44 863 N365 43 991 Also a honorable mention to the NC2 which just had usage of 29,810 in its final 12 months which is less than the weekend only night routes 123 and 145. Top 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N145 33 216 N123 32 031 N183 29 578 N158 28 844 N34 27 825 Bottom 5 Weekend only Night Routes: N132 16 301 N307 16 250 NH32 11 549 NE1 11 354 NH37 8 067 I'm not too sure if the N15 has ever been the busiest night route, I know it always features in the top 5 but I suspect its every 10 minute frequency all night every night helps push the route to first. I won't talk about the 474N being in the bottom 5, instead I'll save my fighting talk till later... 😣 Not too surprising to see the 145N take the top spot for weekend 24-hour routes; beyond Martins Corner southbound, there is no other alertate night route for miles. That and a late start for the Tube on Sundays means a swell in patronage numbers. To put it into contrast, the 123N has three Tube lines feeding passengers to the route whereas the 145N only has the Central Line; and believe you me there's barely more than 5 people boarding the route at Leytonstone. There seems to be a recurring theme that most of the routes that see a decrease in numbers tend to be in west London. The best illustration is the 154N, which if I remember correctly was the top weekend 24-hour route last year but has now fallen from grace this year. Route 33N does not have the excuse of the Hammersmith Bridge closure as that occured after the 2018/19 financial year. I wouldn't really count the 154 to be a West London route, its more of a South London route imo.
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Post by snowman on Feb 25, 2020 11:07:22 GMT
London Data store has been updated data.london.gov.uk/dataset/public-transport-journeys-type-transportBus usage Period 10 was 141.4m journeys. The year to date is 1660.7m journeys Last year P10 144.9m (so 2.5% higher) and YTD 1695.1m (2.1% higher) 5 years ago 2014/15 was P10 156.8m (10.9% higher) and YTD 1823.2m (9.8% higher) So depending on choice of statistic bus usage fallen about 11% in 5 years However mileage hasn't fallen 11% which is why buses losing about £82,000 per hour (or £23 per second) or about £300 whilst you read this
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