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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 27, 2019 15:40:16 GMT
Maybe I am missing something but are most lines not automatic now so how will drivers override the system to slow the trains down on certain sections. Sorry I am probably missing something really obvious They will drive in manual mode in the affected areas Surely even in auto mode they must be able to slow the train down by braking. I would dread to think if the auto mode didn't allow the driver to slow down anytime by braking, i.e. obstruction on the line etc.
Union releases areas on Tube where trains will run slow The Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union has released details of the parts of four Tube lines where drivers have been advised to run slow as part of industrial action next month.
From 10 October, Union members driving trains on the Jubilee, Central, Northern and Victoria lines will purposefully reduce their speed due to "excessive track noise".
General secretary Mick Cash said it was "appalling that RMT driver members have had to resort to a programme of industrial action in order to force London Underground to take the issue of excessive track noise seriously."
Transport for London (TfL) said health and safety of its staff and customers was its "first priority" and it had already agreed to provide better ear protection for drivers.
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Post by richard on Sept 27, 2019 16:12:46 GMT
They will drive in manual mode in the affected areas Surely even in auto mode they must be able to slow the train down by braking. I would dread to think if the auto mode didn't allow the driver to slow down anytime by braking, i.e. obstruction on the line etc.
Union releases areas on Tube where trains will run slow The Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union has released details of the parts of four Tube lines where drivers have been advised to run slow as part of industrial action next month.
From 10 October, Union members driving trains on the Jubilee, Central, Northern and Victoria lines will purposefully reduce their speed due to "excessive track noise".
General secretary Mick Cash said it was "appalling that RMT driver members have had to resort to a programme of industrial action in order to force London Underground to take the issue of excessive track noise seriously."
Transport for London (TfL) said health and safety of its staff and customers was its "first priority" and it had already agreed to provide better ear protection for drivers.
Restricted manual i think is the word for that they will be able to slow trains down themselves on the open sections on some lines they do run trains like that to keep their training/Knowledge up to scratch
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Post by paulsw2 on Sept 27, 2019 17:06:14 GMT
Surely even in auto mode they must be able to slow the train down by braking. I would dread to think if the auto mode didn't allow the driver to slow down anytime by braking, i.e. obstruction on the line etc.
Union releases areas on Tube where trains will run slow The Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union has released details of the parts of four Tube lines where drivers have been advised to run slow as part of industrial action next month.
From 10 October, Union members driving trains on the Jubilee, Central, Northern and Victoria lines will purposefully reduce their speed due to "excessive track noise".
General secretary Mick Cash said it was "appalling that RMT driver members have had to resort to a programme of industrial action in order to force London Underground to take the issue of excessive track noise seriously."
Transport for London (TfL) said health and safety of its staff and customers was its "first priority" and it had already agreed to provide better ear protection for drivers.
Restricted manual i think is the word for that they will be able to slow trains down themselves on the open sections on some lines they do run trains like that to keep their training/Knowledge up to scratch As a train operator (not on the above mentioned lines) there are 4 different ways to drive the train 1 ATO 2 Protected Manual 3 Tripcock Manual 4 Restricted Manual. ATO Automatic Train Operation is the default in ATO enabled area We can also drive in Protected Manual with the computer system monitoring for speed limit infringements (ie emergency brake applies) Tripcock Manual is used in conventional signalling area.Restricted Manual is used in ATO area if there is a fault with the signalling system or onboard equipment failure and limits the speed of the train to 9mph under instruction from service control it is also used if there is a signal failure or signalling problem where the train has to trip through the defective signal(s) this again limits the speed of the train until the train has passed through the necessary sections ahead and the time limit expires before it can be put back into Tripcock Manual These are the terms used on Sub Surface Lines I think some of the other lines use Coded Manual instead of predicted Manual
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Post by foxhat on Oct 4, 2019 12:23:59 GMT
The worst noise I've heard in Z1 ironically has been at St. Pancras Intl on the NB Thameslink on the approach into the platform. I've been waiting on the platform several times and it has been excruciating; in my experience far worse than on the sections LU lines mentioned above.
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Post by richard on Oct 9, 2019 14:58:07 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 9, 2019 23:25:47 GMT
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Post by richard on Oct 9, 2019 23:29:50 GMT
Funny how the RMT says suspended and the beeb says cancelled
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 11, 2019 4:59:26 GMT
Maybe I am missing something but are most lines not automatic now so how will drivers override the system to slow the trains down on certain sections. Sorry I am probably missing something really obvious Years ago there used to be some sort of system to grease the wheel flanges on noisy sections, I think on the Bakerloo line. I know there's more than 150 years of brake dust down there. Could they arrange with local Magistrates Courts to send young offenders to the stations after hours with a high viz and Henry vac to clean the track once the power's switched off as part of Community Payback?
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Post by richard on Oct 11, 2019 8:38:17 GMT
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 2, 2020 15:55:41 GMT
Found this thread because I've got something to contribute.
I've had enough of the tube noise. It's starting to affect lots of people who regularly take the Jubilee Central Northern and Victoria lines.
I've now started to go by bus home because its getting horrible.
Now, in around the late 2000s/early 2010s I didn't nearly notice the amount of noise on tube trains. The noise was mainly people but not the tracks.
See, I think there should be about 3 weeks where all sections of track underground are replaced because this is clearly to do with speed and train tracks
For example, I recently took a Waterloo & City line to Bank and this is similar stock to the Central no where near as much noise. The central line is quick but in the process it makes a h*CK of amount of noise. It's honestly scary how commuters who regularly take these 4 lines may have harmful effects on the hearing of their ears.
I think with night tube on these 4 lines should halt. This will be a controversial opinion but this actually should happen for a few weeks. Night time is a valuable time for repair works but now across the weekend it's now been replaced by night tube and more care should be put into what the rails are like and the amount of noise they make.
But when you think about it, the section between Bethnal Green and Liverpool Street got up to 110 dB, which is roughly the same as an aircraft. Sure, this might be commuters, but you can still hear the piercing noise of the rails through all the hubbub.
I'm so disappointed in the sound, but it's not only the JVNC, it's also the Bakerloo between Waterloo and Lambeth North. That is truly horrible, the noise it makes leaving Lambeth North.
Bakerloo line is easier to fix as it has no night tube, but the tracks need to be at a better quality and if we want people to stop producing emissions which contribute to climate change, it needs a sort out ASAP.
Thanks 😁
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Post by richard on Jan 2, 2020 17:51:26 GMT
Found this thread because I've got something to contribute. I've had enough of the tube noise. It's starting to affect lots of people who regularly take the Jubilee Central Northern and Victoria lines. I've now started to go by bus home because its getting horrible. Now, in around the late 2000s/early 2010s I didn't nearly notice the amount of noise on tube trains. The noise was mainly people but not the tracks. See, I think there should be about 3 weeks where all sections of track underground are replaced because this is clearly to do with speed and train tracks For example, I recently took a Waterloo & City line to Bank and this is similar stock to the Central no where near as much noise. The central line is quick but in the process it makes a h*CK of amount of noise. It's honestly scary how commuters who regularly take these 4 lines may have harmful effects on the hearing of their ears. I think with night tube on these 4 lines should halt. This will be a controversial opinion but this actually should happen for a few weeks. Night time is a valuable time for repair works but now across the weekend it's now been replaced by night tube and more care should be put into what the rails are like and the amount of noise they make. But when you think about it, the section between Bethnal Green and Liverpool Street got up to 110 dB, which is roughly the same as an aircraft. Sure, this might be commuters, but you can still hear the piercing noise of the rails through all the hubbub. I'm so disappointed in the sound, but it's not only the JVNC, it's also the Bakerloo between Waterloo and Lambeth North. That is truly horrible, the noise it makes leaving Lambeth North. Bakerloo line is easier to fix as it has no night tube, but the tracks need to be at a better quality and if we want people to stop producing emissions which contribute to climate change, it needs a sort out ASAP. Thanks 😁 It would take a lot longer than 3 weeks to replace every section of track 😉
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Post by greenboy on Jan 2, 2020 18:24:05 GMT
Found this thread because I've got something to contribute. I've had enough of the tube noise. It's starting to affect lots of people who regularly take the Jubilee Central Northern and Victoria lines. I've now started to go by bus home because its getting horrible. Now, in around the late 2000s/early 2010s I didn't nearly notice the amount of noise on tube trains. The noise was mainly people but not the tracks. See, I think there should be about 3 weeks where all sections of track underground are replaced because this is clearly to do with speed and train tracks For example, I recently took a Waterloo & City line to Bank and this is similar stock to the Central no where near as much noise. The central line is quick but in the process it makes a h*CK of amount of noise. It's honestly scary how commuters who regularly take these 4 lines may have harmful effects on the hearing of their ears. I think with night tube on these 4 lines should halt. This will be a controversial opinion but this actually should happen for a few weeks. Night time is a valuable time for repair works but now across the weekend it's now been replaced by night tube and more care should be put into what the rails are like and the amount of noise they make. But when you think about it, the section between Bethnal Green and Liverpool Street got up to 110 dB, which is roughly the same as an aircraft. Sure, this might be commuters, but you can still hear the piercing noise of the rails through all the hubbub. I'm so disappointed in the sound, but it's not only the JVNC, it's also the Bakerloo between Waterloo and Lambeth North. That is truly horrible, the noise it makes leaving Lambeth North. Bakerloo line is easier to fix as it has no night tube, but the tracks need to be at a better quality and if we want people to stop producing emissions which contribute to climate change, it needs a sort out ASAP. Thanks 😁 I have noticed some noisy sections but none so bad that I would avoid using them or suggest they should be closed at night. I've noticed a few drivers on the Bakerloo Line wearing ear defenders.
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Post by richard on Jan 2, 2020 18:35:30 GMT
Found this thread because I've got something to contribute. I've had enough of the tube noise. It's starting to affect lots of people who regularly take the Jubilee Central Northern and Victoria lines. I've now started to go by bus home because its getting horrible. Now, in around the late 2000s/early 2010s I didn't nearly notice the amount of noise on tube trains. The noise was mainly people but not the tracks. See, I think there should be about 3 weeks where all sections of track underground are replaced because this is clearly to do with speed and train tracks For example, I recently took a Waterloo & City line to Bank and this is similar stock to the Central no where near as much noise. The central line is quick but in the process it makes a h*CK of amount of noise. It's honestly scary how commuters who regularly take these 4 lines may have harmful effects on the hearing of their ears. I think with night tube on these 4 lines should halt. This will be a controversial opinion but this actually should happen for a few weeks. Night time is a valuable time for repair works but now across the weekend it's now been replaced by night tube and more care should be put into what the rails are like and the amount of noise they make. But when you think about it, the section between Bethnal Green and Liverpool Street got up to 110 dB, which is roughly the same as an aircraft. Sure, this might be commuters, but you can still hear the piercing noise of the rails through all the hubbub. I'm so disappointed in the sound, but it's not only the JVNC, it's also the Bakerloo between Waterloo and Lambeth North. That is truly horrible, the noise it makes leaving Lambeth North. Bakerloo line is easier to fix as it has no night tube, but the tracks need to be at a better quality and if we want people to stop producing emissions which contribute to climate change, it needs a sort out ASAP. Thanks 😁 I have noticed some noisy sections but none so bad that I would avoid using them or suggest they should be closed at night. I've noticed a few drivers on the Bakerloo Line wearing ear defenders. The screeching noise started in 2017 that's when I noticed that on the Northern in two sections Kentish town to Camden and Euston (City Branch)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 0:11:57 GMT
Found this thread because I've got something to contribute. I've had enough of the tube noise. It's starting to affect lots of people who regularly take the Jubilee Central Northern and Victoria lines. I've now started to go by bus home because its getting horrible. Now, in around the late 2000s/early 2010s I didn't nearly notice the amount of noise on tube trains. The noise was mainly people but not the tracks. See, I think there should be about 3 weeks where all sections of track underground are replaced because this is clearly to do with speed and train tracks For example, I recently took a Waterloo & City line to Bank and this is similar stock to the Central no where near as much noise. The central line is quick but in the process it makes a h*CK of amount of noise. It's honestly scary how commuters who regularly take these 4 lines may have harmful effects on the hearing of their ears. I think with night tube on these 4 lines should halt. This will be a controversial opinion but this actually should happen for a few weeks. Night time is a valuable time for repair works but now across the weekend it's now been replaced by night tube and more care should be put into what the rails are like and the amount of noise they make. But when you think about it, the section between Bethnal Green and Liverpool Street got up to 110 dB, which is roughly the same as an aircraft. Sure, this might be commuters, but you can still hear the piercing noise of the rails through all the hubbub. I'm so disappointed in the sound, but it's not only the JVNC, it's also the Bakerloo between Waterloo and Lambeth North. That is truly horrible, the noise it makes leaving Lambeth North. Bakerloo line is easier to fix as it has no night tube, but the tracks need to be at a better quality and if we want people to stop producing emissions which contribute to climate change, it needs a sort out ASAP. Thanks 😁 This is exactly why I prefer to get the train into central London when I have to go. The noise on the northern line is unbearable sometimes and I often have to turn my music up very loud.
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Post by rmz19 on Jan 3, 2020 13:20:14 GMT
Found this thread because I've got something to contribute. I've had enough of the tube noise. It's starting to affect lots of people who regularly take the Jubilee Central Northern and Victoria lines. I've now started to go by bus home because its getting horrible. Now, in around the late 2000s/early 2010s I didn't nearly notice the amount of noise on tube trains. The noise was mainly people but not the tracks. See, I think there should be about 3 weeks where all sections of track underground are replaced because this is clearly to do with speed and train tracks For example, I recently took a Waterloo & City line to Bank and this is similar stock to the Central no where near as much noise. The central line is quick but in the process it makes a h*CK of amount of noise. It's honestly scary how commuters who regularly take these 4 lines may have harmful effects on the hearing of their ears. I think with night tube on these 4 lines should halt. This will be a controversial opinion but this actually should happen for a few weeks. Night time is a valuable time for repair works but now across the weekend it's now been replaced by night tube and more care should be put into what the rails are like and the amount of noise they make. But when you think about it, the section between Bethnal Green and Liverpool Street got up to 110 dB, which is roughly the same as an aircraft. Sure, this might be commuters, but you can still hear the piercing noise of the rails through all the hubbub. I'm so disappointed in the sound, but it's not only the JVNC, it's also the Bakerloo between Waterloo and Lambeth North. That is truly horrible, the noise it makes leaving Lambeth North. Bakerloo line is easier to fix as it has no night tube, but the tracks need to be at a better quality and if we want people to stop producing emissions which contribute to climate change, it needs a sort out ASAP. Thanks 😁 This is exactly why I prefer to get the train into central London when I have to go. The noise on the northern line is unbearable sometimes and I often have to turn my music up very loud. The Northern Line is personally the worst of all. A few months ago I used the Northern Line between East Finchley and King's Cross and the section between Kentish Town and Camden Town s/b was unbearably loud, the noise is unlike anything I've heard before on the Underground in terms of loudness. The screeching noise was persistently loud on the approach to Camden Town. Not sure if it's been rectified now, pretty sure it has been as I can't imagine the public being subjected to this until now!
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