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Post by route53 on Oct 10, 2019 23:48:16 GMT
In light of the new coach service between North Greenwich & Canterbury, should there be a new coach Station to take the pressure off Victoria?
Keep Victoria as the main intercity & International coach lines, while the new coach station, maybe one at North Greenwich and another one near the Docklands? Could host outer suburban services
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 11, 2019 0:24:02 GMT
In light of the new coach service between North Greenwich & Canterbury, should there be a new coach Station to take the pressure off Victoria? Keep Victoria as the main intercity & International coach lines, while the new coach station, maybe one at North Greenwich and another one near the Docklands? Could host outer suburban services Old Oak Common could be a good location for an additional coach station, alongside the new rail interchange. With the North Circular and A40, this would be close to corridors via the A1, M1, M40 and M4 corridors - i.e. the majority of coach services to the north or west or London. Would take pressure off some congested routes into central London, such as the Westway, Hammersmith Flyover and Finchley Road. Rail services such as Crossrail would then provide onward connections to central London. I think this would work well alongside another new coach station in East London, as you suggest, such as in North Greenwich or the Docklands. This could serve the remaining destinations - home counties to the south & east of London, plus international coach services. Again, this could possibly be built close to a Crossrail station for central London connections, or Stratford International could also be an option.
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Post by route53 on Oct 11, 2019 8:37:59 GMT
In light of the new coach service between North Greenwich & Canterbury, should there be a new coach Station to take the pressure off Victoria? Keep Victoria as the main intercity & International coach lines, while the new coach station, maybe one at North Greenwich and another one near the Docklands? Could host outer suburban services Old Oak Common could be a good location for an additional coach station, alongside the new rail interchange. With the North Circular and A40, this would be close to corridors via the A1, M1, M40 and M4 corridors - i.e. the majority of coach services to the north or west or London. Would take pressure off some congested routes into central London, such as the Westway, Hammersmith Flyover and Finchley Road. Rail services such as Crossrail would then provide onward connections to central London. I think this would work well alongside another new coach station in East London, as you suggest, such as in North Greenwich or the Docklands. This could serve the remaining destinations - home counties to the south & east of London, plus international coach services. Again, this could possibly be built close to a Crossrail station for central London connections, or Stratford International could also be an option. Old Oak Common would be an excellent choice for destinations, North & West of London, Stratford for East of London and North Greenwich for South East, as I said I would still keep Victoria as the main intercity and European coaches, while OAC, Stratford and NG could be regional ones perhaps the Green Line coach 702 could be extended to Greenwich or Stratford?. North Greenwich would be great because Greenwich itself is a major destination in itself, plus the Jubilee line can whisk coach users to the West End in 10-15 mins. I think that the new Canterbury coach (Stagecoach Express M2) is extremely handy, especially as it serves the Medway towns and train journey times between Medway & SE London have been ridiculously slowed down since Thameslink took over that service, I can see this service doing well.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 11, 2019 19:36:48 GMT
I agree, Old Oak Common would be an excellent location for a coach station - beautifully connected hub.
Heathrow think that they can replace Victoria to become London's main caoch station which I think is delusional. Heathrow is too far out from the centre to serve as London's main coach station. There is the Piccadilly Line, but there's enough pressure on that line as it is so piling more pressure on it is unwise. Of course at Heathrow you have the Heathrow Express, but I don't think Paddington is that useful a rail terminus. Crossrail is coming, and that would make Heathrow a viable coach hub but who knows when Crossrail will open now. I'm close to losing hope as it seems every few months another delay happens. I don't wish to stereotype, but I think generally people using coaches are often those who would use the tube, as a cheaper travel option. Therefore, the Piccadilly Line would need vast improvements to allow it to cope with the coach station at Heathrow.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 13, 2019 18:24:40 GMT
I agree, Old Oak Common would be an excellent location for a coach station - beautifully connected hub. Heathrow think that they can replace Victoria to become London's main caoch station which I think is delusional. Heathrow is too far out from the centre to serve as London's main coach station. There is the Piccadilly Line, but there's enough pressure on that line as it is so piling more pressure on it is unwise. Of course at Heathrow you have the Heathrow Express, but I don't think Paddington is that useful a rail terminus. Crossrail is coming, and that would make Heathrow a viable coach hub but who knows when Crossrail will open now. I'm close to losing hope as it seems every few months another delay happens. I don't wish to stereotype, but I think generally people using coaches are often those who would use the tube, as a cheaper travel option. Therefore, the Piccadilly Line would need vast improvements to allow it to cope with the coach station at Heathrow. Perhaps a solution to the lack of connections from Heathrow could be to create a new express bus route from Heathrow something I feel is needed anyway. I've read a proposal for an express Hammersmith-Heathrow bus route calling at Turnham Green, Brentford, Isleworth, Hounslow West, Heathrow Central, and Terminal 5. This isn't a bad idea and would be quite effective for that corridor, but in addition to that I would also like a bus route which just goes straight down the A4 from Heathrow to Hammersmith to help take some pressure off the Piccadilly Line, the issue is that it would be crucified by congestion.
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Post by Frenzie on Oct 14, 2019 18:21:56 GMT
I agree, Old Oak Common would be an excellent location for a coach station - beautifully connected hub. Heathrow think that they can replace Victoria to become London's main caoch station which I think is delusional. Heathrow is too far out from the centre to serve as London's main coach station. There is the Piccadilly Line, but there's enough pressure on that line as it is so piling more pressure on it is unwise. Of course at Heathrow you have the Heathrow Express, but I don't think Paddington is that useful a rail terminus. Crossrail is coming, and that would make Heathrow a viable coach hub but who knows when Crossrail will open now. I'm close to losing hope as it seems every few months another delay happens. I don't wish to stereotype, but I think generally people using coaches are often those who would use the tube, as a cheaper travel option. Therefore, the Piccadilly Line would need vast improvements to allow it to cope with the coach station at Heathrow. Perhaps a solution to the lack of connections from Heathrow could be to create a new express bus route from Heathrow something I feel is needed anyway. I've read a proposal for an express Hammersmith-Heathrow bus route calling at Turnham Green, Brentford, Isleworth, Hounslow West, Heathrow Central, and Terminal 5. This isn't a bad idea and would be quite effective for that corridor, but in addition to that I would also like a bus route which just goes straight down the A4 from Heathrow to Hammersmith to help take some pressure off the Piccadilly Line, the issue is that it would be crucified by congestion. Sounds a bit like an express N9!
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Post by route53 on Oct 15, 2019 23:20:48 GMT
I agree, Old Oak Common would be an excellent location for a coach station - beautifully connected hub. Heathrow think that they can replace Victoria to become London's main caoch station which I think is delusional. Heathrow is too far out from the centre to serve as London's main coach station. There is the Piccadilly Line, but there's enough pressure on that line as it is so piling more pressure on it is unwise. Of course at Heathrow you have the Heathrow Express, but I don't think Paddington is that useful a rail terminus. Crossrail is coming, and that would make Heathrow a viable coach hub but who knows when Crossrail will open now. I'm close to losing hope as it seems every few months another delay happens. I don't wish to stereotype, but I think generally people using coaches are often those who would use the tube, as a cheaper travel option. Therefore, the Piccadilly Line would need vast improvements to allow it to cope with the coach station at Heathrow. Perhaps a solution to the lack of connections from Heathrow could be to create a new express bus route from Heathrow something I feel is needed anyway. I've read a proposal for an express Hammersmith-Heathrow bus route calling at Turnham Green, Brentford, Isleworth, Hounslow West, Heathrow Central, and Terminal 5. This isn't a bad idea and would be quite effective for that corridor, but in addition to that I would also like a bus route which just goes straight down the A4 from Heathrow to Hammersmith to help take some pressure off the Piccadilly Line, the issue is that it would be crucified by congestion. An excellent idea! This would take the pressure off the Piccadilly line, also not everyone will use CrossRail, the route suggested goes no where near any of the CrossRail stops if my memory serves me right. Travel to Heathrow; Britain’s busiest airport should be made easier.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 16, 2019 6:15:58 GMT
Perhaps a solution to the lack of connections from Heathrow could be to create a new express bus route from Heathrow something I feel is needed anyway. I've read a proposal for an express Hammersmith-Heathrow bus route calling at Turnham Green, Brentford, Isleworth, Hounslow West, Heathrow Central, and Terminal 5. This isn't a bad idea and would be quite effective for that corridor, but in addition to that I would also like a bus route which just goes straight down the A4 from Heathrow to Hammersmith to help take some pressure off the Piccadilly Line, the issue is that it would be crucified by congestion. An excellent idea! This would take the pressure off the Piccadilly line, also not everyone will use CrossRail, the route suggested goes no where near any of the CrossRail stops if my memory serves me right. Travel to Heathrow; Britain’s busiest airport should be made easier. I agree, in the money being spent on the third runway should be some money to invest in improving transport connections to Heahtrow. The Western Rail Link has been talked about, and talked about for years now. It appears it will only be a Reading-T5 service which I think is a huge waste when there is the potential for much longer distance services than that. I think the Western Rail Link actually seems to have moved a little over all the years of talking about it, and I coud easily see it happening in the next 30-40 years. On the other hand, a rail link which has also been talked about is the Southern Rail Link. This link just seems like a lot of bluster which won't achieve anything any time soon. Bolting a spur onto the Waterloo-Reading line is never going to go down well as it would increase the number of trains an hour going over some level crossings. I know the option of sending it via the Hounslow Loop Line where there are less level crossings has been discuseed, but this would also slow down journey times. I do feel sorry for SW Londoners who are blighted by the noise of the aeroplanes, being under the flightpath, but yet the have really poor connectvity to Heathrow, of course there is the X26 but beyond that there isn't much. The 490 is chronically overcrowded, and in dire need of double deckers, but there's still a huge lack of viable options to reach heathrow from South West London. Its a shame because a Clapham Junction-Heathrow link would have so much potential in connecting Heathrow to South London, and the South of England. To end on a bleak note, I don't see anything happening in the near future.
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