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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 2, 2019 11:10:54 GMT
I don't like 'Central Croydon', plus people might get confused with the 'Centrale' tram stop. On the topic of zones I think it's silly that Bromley North is in Zone 4 but Bromley South is in Zone 5. There's many such cases of this, although the barrier has to be somewhere. Stratford and Maryland are another annoying one, Canning Town and Royal Victoria. The issue is if you move one boundary it's just a matter of time until the people at the next station along want the boundary moved there.
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 2, 2019 11:56:04 GMT
I don't like 'Central Croydon', plus people might get confused with the 'Centrale' tram stop. On the topic of zones I think it's silly that Bromley North is in Zone 4 but Bromley South is in Zone 5. I think some of the worst zone inconsistencies are in North West London (& bordering home counties). For example, on the Metropolitan Line, Watford Station is in zone 7, but Watford Junction (if anything, is closer to central London) is in a special fares zone. Also, Heathrow is shown as zone 6 on TFL rail, but fares are higher than the Piccadilly Line. Zone 6 also contains both Ruislip Manor and Epping, which should not be in the same zone. I think a solution to this could be to have fewer zones in total, which would also simplify the fare structures. Keep Zone 1 as present, then extend zone 2 to places such as Ealing Broadway and Stratford. Split the remainder of stations within the M25 to zones 3 and 4. Then a final zone 5 for stations towards Amersham, Reading, Gatwick etc.
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Post by busaholic on Nov 2, 2019 12:31:38 GMT
I don't like 'Central Croydon', plus people might get confused with the 'Centrale' tram stop. On the topic of zones I think it's silly that Bromley North is in Zone 4 but Bromley South is in Zone 5. I agree with you on all that. I suspect the Bromley nonsense is a purely financial one, in that S.E Trains know many passengers, especially commuters, will always favour South, given the total lack of through London trains from North for years now. Such jiggerypokery should not be allowed, but partial politics has long had a habit of intervening e.g. zoning of Docklands/Stratford, how the Northern Line ectension has been handled, etc etc.
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 2, 2019 17:23:50 GMT
Interesting article and proposal. I'm pretty sure East Croydon was in zone 4 before January 2017. I say that because when I go to Gatwick, I normally half and half it with my travel card up to zone 4 and a National Rail ticket the rest of the way. Since then, the cost savings of me tapping out of Croydon to buy a rail ticket was offset by suddenly being charged for a zone I didn't have. The same can be said when I was canvassing a quick journey to Kingston for my brother in 2013, it was definitely in zone 5 then. If what others have said about Westfield funding Stratford being in zone 2 is true, then we can only hope the same plans are implemented by Westfield officials when the one in Croydon opens up. As for the gentrification of the name of East Croydon station, hopefully that won't happen. What's that saying again about if someone isn't broken?
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Post by busaholic on Nov 2, 2019 18:22:00 GMT
Interesting article and proposal. I'm pretty sure East Croydon was in zone 4 before January 2017. I say that because when I go to Gatwick, I normally half and half it with my travel card up to zone 4 and a National Rail ticket the rest of the way. Since then, the cost savings of me tapping out of Croydon to buy a rail ticket was offset by suddenly being charged for a zone I didn't have. The same can be said when I was canvassing a quick journey to Kingston for my brother in 2013, it was definitely in zone 5 then. If what others have said about Westfield funding Stratford being in zone 2 is true, then we can only hope the same plans are implemented by Westfield officials when the one in Croydon opens up. As for the gentrification of the name of East Croydon station, hopefully that won't happen. What's that saying again about if someone isn't broken? Something I didn't know until a few minutes ago - there WAS a Coetral Croydon Station, located near Katharine Street, and was a branch off the line at East Croydon. It didn't prosper, both opening and closing in the late 19th century. The Croydon Council town hall apparently occupies part of the site.
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Post by rif153 on Nov 2, 2019 19:06:50 GMT
I don't like 'Central Croydon', plus people might get confused with the 'Centrale' tram stop. On the topic of zones I think it's silly that Bromley North is in Zone 4 but Bromley South is in Zone 5. I think some of the worst zone inconsistencies are in North West London (& bordering home counties). For example, on the Metropolitan Line, Watford Station is in zone 7, but Watford Junction (if anything, is closer to central London) is in a special fares zone. Also, Heathrow is shown as zone 6 on TFL rail, but fares are higher than the Piccadilly Line. Zone 6 also contains both Ruislip Manor and Epping, which should not be in the same zone. I think a solution to this could be to have fewer zones in total, which would also simplify the fare structures. Keep Zone 1 as present, then extend zone 2 to places such as Ealing Broadway and Stratford. Split the remainder of stations within either the witginthe M25 to zones 3 and 4. Then a final zone 5 for stations towards Amersham, Reading, Gatwick etc. I quite like the idea of abolishing fare zones completely seeing as the whole thing has become utterly ridiculous. The issue is that I don’t really know what alternative we could have. Flat fares don’t seem like a good idea. When I was leftie in my youth I would have called for public transport to be made free.
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Post by redexpress on Nov 2, 2019 20:43:10 GMT
Interesting article and proposal. I'm pretty sure East Croydon was in zone 4 before January 2017. I say that because when I go to Gatwick, I normally half and half it with my travel card up to zone 4 and a National Rail ticket the rest of the way. Since then, the cost savings of me tapping out of Croydon to buy a rail ticket was offset by suddenly being charged for a zone I didn't have. The same can be said when I was canvassing a quick journey to Kingston for my brother in 2013, it was definitely in zone 5 then.
East Croydon was certainly in Zone 5 when I was commuting there in 2004-06. If you were using a Z1-4 Travelcard to travel there you've been cheating!
Depending on where you were starting your journey, it may have been better to buy an extension ticket to travel beyond your Travelcard zones.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 2, 2019 20:59:47 GMT
Interesting article and proposal. I'm pretty sure East Croydon was in zone 4 before January 2017. I say that because when I go to Gatwick, I normally half and half it with my travel card up to zone 4 and a National Rail ticket the rest of the way. Since then, the cost savings of me tapping out of Croydon to buy a rail ticket was offset by suddenly being charged for a zone I didn't have. The same can be said when I was canvassing a quick journey to Kingston for my brother in 2013, it was definitely in zone 5 then. If what others have said about Westfield funding Stratford being in zone 2 is true, then we can only hope the same plans are implemented by Westfield officials when the one in Croydon opens up. As for the gentrification of the name of East Croydon station, hopefully that won't happen. What's that saying again about if someone isn't broken? Something I didn't know until a few minutes ago - there WAS a Coetral Croydon Station, located near Katharine Street, and was a branch off the line at East Croydon. It didn't prosper, both opening and closing in the late 19th century. The Croydon Council town hall apparently occupies part of the site. Now you say it, I did read about that on wikipedia (bear that in mind ) & having just looked back at it, the line ran through the Queen's Gardens site next door, under Park Lane, through where Fairfield Halls is before joining the Brighton Line. That section of line lived on past the station's closure as sidings until 1933. The only remains left are the retaining wall in the gardens where Katherine Street is and a plague on the wall commemorating the station
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 2, 2019 21:17:13 GMT
Interesting article and proposal. I'm pretty sure East Croydon was in zone 4 before January 2017. I say that because when I go to Gatwick, I normally half and half it with my travel card up to zone 4 and a National Rail ticket the rest of the way. Since then, the cost savings of me tapping out of Croydon to buy a rail ticket was offset by suddenly being charged for a zone I didn't have. The same can be said when I was canvassing a quick journey to Kingston for my brother in 2013, it was definitely in zone 5 then. If what others have said about Westfield funding Stratford being in zone 2 is true, then we can only hope the same plans are implemented by Westfield officials when the one in Croydon opens up. As for the gentrification of the name of East Croydon station, hopefully that won't happen. What's that saying again about if someone isn't broken? Been commuting since late 90s with Z1-4 Travelcard ... never valid past Norwood Junction ... Extension needed whenever travelling to Croydon
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 2, 2019 23:16:43 GMT
Interesting article and proposal. I'm pretty sure East Croydon was in zone 4 before January 2017. I say that because when I go to Gatwick, I normally half and half it with my travel card up to zone 4 and a National Rail ticket the rest of the way. Since then, the cost savings of me tapping out of Croydon to buy a rail ticket was offset by suddenly being charged for a zone I didn't have. The same can be said when I was canvassing a quick journey to Kingston for my brother in 2013, it was definitely in zone 5 then. East Croydon was certainly in Zone 5 when I was commuting there in 2004-06. If you were using a Z1-4 Travelcard to travel there you've been cheating! Depending on where you were starting your journey, it may have been better to buy an extension ticket to travel beyond your Travelcard zones.
Interesting article and proposal. I'm pretty sure East Croydon was in zone 4 before January 2017. I say that because when I go to Gatwick, I normally half and half it with my travel card up to zone 4 and a National Rail ticket the rest of the way. Since then, the cost savings of me tapping out of Croydon to buy a rail ticket was offset by suddenly being charged for a zone I didn't have. The same can be said when I was canvassing a quick journey to Kingston for my brother in 2013, it was definitely in zone 5 then. If what others have said about Westfield funding Stratford being in zone 2 is true, then we can only hope the same plans are implemented by Westfield officials when the one in Croydon opens up. As for the gentrification of the name of East Croydon station, hopefully that won't happen. What's that saying again about if someone isn't broken? Been commuting since late 90s with Z1-4 Travelcard ... never valid past Norwood Junction ... Extension needed whenever travelling to Croydon Maybe my memory is fading but I defo feel that East Croydon was in zone 4 when I've been commuting to the station before January 2017! In any case, if I wasn't with family I'd come back from Gatwick; grab a Subway breakfast meal with the money I'd save and bus it back to the east end from Croydon. If I was with family then they'd plead for me to pay extra as they detested changing trains 3 or 4 times. If only I had a tube and/or rail map between 2012-16 as a reference, otherwise that's a massive overlook on my part.
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Post by lundnah on Nov 3, 2019 7:53:27 GMT
East Croydon was certainly in Zone 5 when I was commuting there in 2004-06. If you were using a Z1-4 Travelcard to travel there you've been cheating! Depending on where you were starting your journey, it may have been better to buy an extension ticket to travel beyond your Travelcard zones.
Been commuting since late 90s with Z1-4 Travelcard ... never valid past Norwood Junction ... Extension needed whenever travelling to Croydon Maybe my memory is fading but I defo feel that East Croydon was in zone 4 when I've been commuting to the station before January 2017! In any case, if I wasn't with family I'd come back from Gatwick; grab a Subway breakfast meal with the money I'd save and bus it back to the east end from Croydon. If I was with family then they'd plead for me to pay extra as they detested changing trains 3 or 4 times. If only I had a tube and/or rail map between 2012-16 as a reference, otherwise that's a massive overlook on my part. I have a London Connections map dated January 2005, and can that confirm East Croydon was in Zone 5.
I also have maps dated 2012-16. Still Zone 5.
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Post by Dillon95 on Nov 3, 2019 9:02:21 GMT
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 3, 2019 15:33:36 GMT
Well then, it seems I always had pay as you credit on my oyster travel card until Jan 2017! I'd buy my onwards ticket from East Croydon so after re-entering with a rail ticket, thought none the wiser. Now let's move on from this embarrassing lapse of this East Croydon memory from the out of depth east Londoner?!
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