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Post by joefrombow on Dec 2, 2019 7:25:29 GMT
I honestly think within the next 10 years to 2030 there are doing to be alot of people out of work due to the internet and technology as a whole changing things and it is going to hit us very quickly, I really don't think the governments are prepared but the tech is already here . As for Buses I can't see totally Driverless buses except say on a closed off route i.e a busway or something like that but as for literally having a steering wheel attendant on London buses that I can definitely see , Just have a look at Tesla's autopilot the car literally drives itself once the technology is perfected it will be widespread . youtu.be/tlThdr3O5Qo In China they already have selfdriving buses on the roads and have done for a few years youtu.be/lceQtP1-h5Y |
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Post by M1104 on Dec 3, 2019 11:02:27 GMT
Nowadays buses seem to be going through a somewhat phased conversion towards being driverless where some were built designed to auto-brake whenever somebody steps in front and now there's the gradual introduction of the ISA system, initially on new buses but it's said that it could eventually be rolled out onto existing buses. I suppose the next thing that could roll in are passenger doors with infrared systems, designed to stay/return open if anyone's too close to them...or perhaps a self guidance system to pull the bus into the next stop, in case it thinks the driver is going to pass it.... ok I'm being a bit snarky on those last two points.
One piece of technology I've wanted to see more of in my time is a much more simplified mechanism, more staff toilets at bus stands. Perhaps funds should be used for that (for the human factor) in priority over new technology on buses, many of which is not even really needed.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 3, 2019 19:44:03 GMT
When driverless buses come around, I presume there will still be drivers but just as conductors (checking for fare evading) and checking if the bus is doing ok.
Another thing that could be beneficial about driverless buses is that there will possibly be more care taken to stop things like fights, anti social behaviour, night bus issues etc
I don't think driverless buses are the best of ideas but it's coming and we can't stop it
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 3, 2019 20:53:47 GMT
When driverless buses come around, I presume there will still be drivers but just as conductors (checking for fare evading) and checking if the bus is doing ok. Another thing that could be beneficial about driverless buses is that there will possibly be more care taken to stop things like fights, anti social behaviour, night bus issues etc I don't think driverless buses are the best of ideas but it's coming and we can't stop itI'll bet the unions will try to though |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 21:03:29 GMT
When driverless buses come around, I presume there will still be drivers but just as conductors (checking for fare evading) and checking if the bus is doing ok. Another thing that could be beneficial about driverless buses is that there will possibly be more care taken to stop things like fights, anti social behaviour, night bus issues etc I don't think driverless buses are the best of ideas but it's coming and we can't stop it Not a betting man but I am pretty sure we are many many years away from driverless buses in London apart from on segregated dedicated roads even that will probably be another 10 or so years away.
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Post by rj131 on Dec 3, 2019 21:11:23 GMT
When driverless buses come around, I presume there will still be drivers but just as conductors (checking for fare evading) and checking if the bus is doing ok. Another thing that could be beneficial about driverless buses is that there will possibly be more care taken to stop things like fights, anti social behaviour, night bus issues etc I don't think driverless buses are the best of ideas but it's coming and we can't stop it Not a betting man but I am pretty sure we are many many years away from driverless buses in London apart from on segregated dedicated roads even that will probably be another 10 or so years away.
Same here. There is an issue I see with driverless buses though: which is that who would actually dare to go on them!! This is if we’re talking totally driverless, ie passengers only buses with no person overseeing procedures, which I guess is the point as it saves on employment costs. Its like a plane with no pilot. Would I dare go on one? Not in a million years!!!!! Same with an autonomous bus. I’m not putting my life in the hands of a computer! |
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Post by rif153 on Dec 3, 2019 21:20:12 GMT
Not a betting man but I am pretty sure we are many many years away from driverless buses in London apart from on segregated dedicated roads even that will probably be another 10 or so years away.
Same here. There is an issue I see with driverless buses though: which is that who would actually dare to go on them!! This is if we’re talking totally driverless, ie passengers only buses with no person overseeing procedures, which I guess is the point as it saves on employment costs. Its like a plane with no pilot. Would I dare go on one? Not in a million years!!!!! Same with an autonomous bus. I’m not putting my life in the hands of a computer! Yet you've put your life in the hands of a computer before assuming you've used the DLR. Eventually these things will become normalised, as I'm sure for many in East London the idea of a driverless train seemed absurd until they realised the DLR was perfectly safe. The most dangerous thing on the DLR are the climate terrorists who glue themselves to the trains, I find it a bit rich of these people to sit on sustainable modes of public transport to protest against climate change. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 3, 2019 21:35:32 GMT
Not a betting man but I am pretty sure we are many many years away from driverless buses in London apart from on segregated dedicated roads even that will probably be another 10 or so years away.
Same here. There is an issue I see with driverless buses though: which is that who would actually dare to go on them!! This is if we’re talking totally driverless, ie passengers only buses with no person overseeing procedures, which I guess is the point as it saves on employment costs. Its like a plane with no pilot. Would I dare go on one? Not in a million years!!!!! Same with an autonomous bus. I’m not putting my life in the hands of a computer! Computers are probably safer than humans are at the controls. I'm pretty sure most driverless vehicle crashes have actually come when a human has forcibly tried to take over. Planes are on autopilot most of the time and can even land with nobody at the control these days. Pilots are only told to land them because they need to actually remember how to do it  Funnily enough the mode of transport which is computer operated 95% of the time is actually the safest mode of travel. We've actually reached a point in time where computers are probably more efficient than humans, in automatic cars they can shift their gears faster than any human can and in a lot of auto assisted cars I believe they have really quick reaction times. Whether it's liked or not computers will start taking over tasks such as these. We all know it's not a case of if but more of a case of when. Yet you've put your life in the hands of a computer before assuming you've used the DLR. Eventually these things will become normalised, as I'm sure for many in East London the idea of a driverless train seemed absurd until they realised the DLR was perfectly safe. The most dangerous thing on the DLR are the climate terrorists who glue themselves to the trains, I find it a bit rich of these people to sit on sustainable modes of public transport to protest against climate change. Not just the DLR but also the Victoria Line, Central Line, Jubilee Line, Northern Line, part of the Thameslink and part of the H&C, Circle and Metropolitan lines. There is a human sat in the front however we do need to remember that the huge bulk of the work is actually done by a computer. |
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Post by george on Dec 3, 2019 21:41:32 GMT
Same here. There is an issue I see with driverless buses though: which is that who would actually dare to go on them!! This is if we’re talking totally driverless, ie passengers only buses with no person overseeing procedures, which I guess is the point as it saves on employment costs. Its like a plane with no pilot. Would I dare go on one? Not in a million years!!!!! Same with an autonomous bus. I’m not putting my life in the hands of a computer! Yet you've put your life in the hands of a computer before assuming you've used the DLR. Eventually these things will become normalised, as I'm sure for many in East London the idea of a driverless train seemed absurd until they realised the DLR was perfectly safe. The most dangerous thing on the DLR are the climate terrorists who glue themselves to the trains, I find it a bit rich of these people to sit on sustainable modes of public transport to protest against climate change. I actually think we are much more nearer to drivless buses than we would like to believe. Just watch "Reggie in China" to see how the world is changing. In the first episode there is a bus that can be driven without the driver at the controls. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 3, 2019 23:27:53 GMT
Same here. There is an issue I see with driverless buses though: which is that who would actually dare to go on them!! This is if we’re talking totally driverless, ie passengers only buses with no person overseeing procedures, which I guess is the point as it saves on employment costs. Its like a plane with no pilot. Would I dare go on one? Not in a million years!!!!! Same with an autonomous bus. I’m not putting my life in the hands of a computer! Computers are probably safer than humans are at the controls. I'm pretty sure most driverless vehicle crashes have actually come when a human has forcibly tried to take over. Planes are on autopilot most of the time and can even land with nobody at the control these days. Pilots are only told to land them because they need to actually remember how to do it Funnily enough the mode of transport which is computer operated 95% of the time is actually the safest mode of travel. We've actually reached a point in time where computers are probably more efficient than humans, in automatic cars they can shift their gears faster than any human can and in a lot of auto assisted cars I believe they have really quick reaction times. Whether it's liked or not computers will start taking over tasks such as these. We all know it's not a case of if but more of a case of when. Yet you've put your life in the hands of a computer before assuming you've used the DLR. Eventually these things will become normalised, as I'm sure for many in East London the idea of a driverless train seemed absurd until they realised the DLR was perfectly safe. The most dangerous thing on the DLR are the climate terrorists who glue themselves to the trains, I find it a bit rich of these people to sit on sustainable modes of public transport to protest against climate change. Not just the DLR but also the Victoria Line, Central Line, Jubilee Line, Northern Line, part of the Thameslink and part of the H&C, Circle and Metropolitan lines. There is a human sat in the front however we do need to remember that the huge bulk of the work is actually done by a computer. Until the sun goes in and then the car stops driving  |
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Post by rj131 on Dec 4, 2019 6:21:51 GMT
Same here. There is an issue I see with driverless buses though: which is that who would actually dare to go on them!! This is if we’re talking totally driverless, ie passengers only buses with no person overseeing procedures, which I guess is the point as it saves on employment costs. Its like a plane with no pilot. Would I dare go on one? Not in a million years!!!!! Same with an autonomous bus. I’m not putting my life in the hands of a computer! Yet you've put your life in the hands of a computer before assuming you've used the DLR. Eventually these things will become normalised, as I'm sure for many in East London the idea of a driverless train seemed absurd until they realised the DLR was perfectly safe. The most dangerous thing on the DLR are the climate terrorists who glue themselves to the trains, I find it a bit rich of these people to sit on sustainable modes of public transport to protest against climate change. Ah yes, hence why I specially said ‘if we’re talking totally driverless, with no one overseeing the bus’. I’d go on a driverless bus if it was DLR style, with someone making sure everything’s running smoothly, but not without that. There are situations that drivers/pilots have to deal with which aren’t simple black & white solutions, ie ones a computer couldn’t handle  Also if a bus is ‘totally driverless’ then we’ll probably end up with a fare dodging problem worse than LTs😬 |
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Post by Pilot on Dec 4, 2019 12:11:35 GMT
People won't appreciate drivers until they're no longer behind wheel. When buses eventually go driver-free it will be like post coal era with nice numbers of unemployment going up and good luck training 'ol geezer' into doing something with tech at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 20:39:35 GMT
Been thinking about this topic today and was thinking how would driverless buses cope with cyclists in central London. Bus drivers can adapt very quickly to sudden movements or cyclists cutting up but imagine a driverless bus will pause then try and adjust it's route, this could be very uncomfortable for passengers with the constant stop start.
Sorry I know I am a bit negative on this topic!
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Post by M1104 on Dec 5, 2019 10:56:21 GMT
Been thinking about this topic today and was thinking how would driverless buses cope with cyclists in central London. Bus drivers can adapt very quickly to sudden movements or cyclists cutting up but imagine a driverless bus will pause then try and adjust it's route, this could be very uncomfortable for passengers with the constant stop start. Sorry I know I am a bit negative on this topic! If the on-board computer works perfectly the bus will probably not even move at all from all the variables. |
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Funnily enough the mode of transport which is computer operated 95% of the time is actually the safest mode of travel.
