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Post by george on Dec 13, 2019 11:05:53 GMT
With a new year fast approaching thought it would be a good idea to set up a prediction thread for 2020. Please post any predictions you have within the bus industry for 2020. Please no tender predictions.
I'll start with. The night section for the 148 will be renumbered to N148 like what happened to the 65.
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Post by M1104 on Dec 13, 2019 11:55:49 GMT
With a new year fast approaching thought it would be a good idea to set up a prediction thread for 2020. Please post any predictions you have within the bus industry for 2020. Please no tender predictions. I'll start with. The night section for the 148 will be renumbered to N148 like what happened to the 65. I'd be surprised if that happens considering the 148(N) is only longer by what could be considered as walking distance, unless it also includes a rerouting and/or further extension. The first lot of LTs perhaps will go in for refurbishment, the oldest ones now approaching seven years.
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Post by george on Dec 13, 2019 13:29:03 GMT
With a new year fast approaching thought it would be a good idea to set up a prediction thread for 2020. Please post any predictions you have within the bus industry for 2020. Please no tender predictions. I'll start with. The night section for the 148 will be renumbered to N148 like what happened to the 65. I'd be surprised if that happens considering the 148(N) is only longer by what could be considered as walking distance, unless it also includes a rerouting and/or further extension. The first lot of LTs perhaps will go in for refurbishment, the oldest ones now approaching seven years. I agree about the LTs. Couldn't the same be said about the N250?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 15:31:26 GMT
Finally the year LED blinds are fitted as standard.
15H withdrawn after September 2020.
LT Mark 2 commissioned to celebrate his reelection! This one is a joke!!
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Post by lonmark on Dec 13, 2019 18:10:32 GMT
Let bring the NE, NW, SW, SE and also North/South Bus map poster back up at every bus shelters whatever it was at. It should be updated once or twice a year.
So no more horrible spider maps and too old updated.
OR
make TfL paid the Mike Harris's the Greater London bus map to be used at every poster at the bus stop shelters.
Sad, this is only my dream.
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Post by E279 on Dec 13, 2019 18:21:19 GMT
Finally the year LED blinds are fitted as standard. 15H withdrawn after September 2020. LT Mark 2 commissioned to celebrate his reelection! This one is a joke!! So no more smart blinds? Or was that a joke? I don’t think LED technology is going to save that much, they break easily and the destinations displayed look awful on some routes, they haven’t been able to effectively set it out like smart blinds the 97 for instance Chingford Stn. It looks off. I’m yet to see what the P5/C10 look like but the TFL display looked identical to the smart blinds set so I’d they’re like that then sure let’s have LED. But I don’t think some of the destinations on LEDs Smart Hybrids are clear, is there a difference in the LED technology on the Smart Hybrids compared to the C10/P5 batch?
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Post by redbus on Dec 13, 2019 18:58:56 GMT
I am afraid that I am gloomy about bus services in the foreseeable future. Insufficient is being done to retain or better still increase patronage. The financial pressures will also remain for the foreseeable future even with fare rises starting again in January 2021. I think the current Mayor will get re-elected again next year and I can't see the new government giving the Mayor lots of money, indeed as far as buses are concerned I think the priority for any money will be out of London, probably up north as part of a 'thank you' for the election result.
All of the above will combine and mean more cuts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 19:21:50 GMT
I am afraid that I am gloomy about bus services in the foreseeable future. Insufficient is being done to retain or better still increase patronage. The financial pressures will also remain for the foreseeable future even with fare rises starting again in January 2021. I think the current Mayor will get re-elected again next year and I can't see the new government giving the Mayor lots of money, indeed as far as buses are concerned I think the priority for any money will be out of London, probably up north as part of a 'thank you' for the election result. All of the above will combine and mean more cuts. In London I broadly agree. If Khan is re-elected I can’t see central government helping TfL out at all. I think however, some pre mayoral election pledges will be made by the Tories to try and persuade voters. A steady flow of electric buses being used for tender wins. Staff recruitment and retention issues for bus operating companies. More strikes on the tube ( that’s an easy one ) More unlikely, an express version of the 25 and 279.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 20:37:16 GMT
Finally the year LED blinds are fitted as standard. 15H withdrawn after September 2020. LT Mark 2 commissioned to celebrate his reelection! This one is a joke!! So no more smart blinds? Or was that a joke? I don’t think LED technology is going to save that much, they break easily and the destinations displayed look awful on some routes, they haven’t been able to effectively set it out like smart blinds the 97 for instance Chingford Stn. It looks off. I’m yet to see what the P5/C10 look like but the TFL display looked identical to the smart blinds set so I’d they’re like that then sure let’s have LED. But I don’t think some of the destinations on LEDs Smart Hybrids are clear, is there a difference in the LED technology on the Smart Hybrids compared to the C10/P5 batch? I don't know how much smart blinds cost but imagine LED must work out cheaper in the long run. Inserts are a pain to fit to smart blinds and would be much easier for garage transfers etc...
Personaly I think the technology is a point where its acceptable and will only get better in time.
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Post by busaholic on Dec 13, 2019 21:11:00 GMT
A possible scenario (maybe as possible as Jo Swinson becoming P.M. so don't bet the house!):-
1) The West End Traders' Association, if there is such a thing, announces in January that footfall in the main shopping areas of Oxford, Regent and Bond Streets over the Christmas/New Year period was down 5.6% on last year and trading was down approximately 3.4% in value.They believe a factor was the decline in public transport facilities, in particular buses, and they note the continued absence of Crossrail and the concomitant strain on the Underground, particularly the Central Line. The closure of Oxford Circus tube owing to serious overcrowding comes in for particular mention and concern. They then go on to query why bus routes that were only due for the chop after Crossrail opened, like the 25, had it happen anyway, and ask TfL to reconsider.
2) Plans for more bus cuts, both in routes and frequencies are put 'on hold' til after the Mayoral election, and consultations on anything that might be considered contentious are pulled too. However, if Sadiq Khan gets re-elected they start in earnest again, especially if the 'fares freeze' continues for at least a year, as promised by the Mayor-elect.
3) Crossrail gets no nearer opening on the central core; in fact, the prospect recedes as new problems pile on what are already proving unresolveable without a complete rethink of the project with much work, costing tens if not hundreds of millions, needing ripping out and redoing.
I think that's enough 'predictions', though they're not really that, more satirical comments I guess, based loosely on what I think COULD happen.
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Post by rml1969 on Dec 16, 2019 4:59:25 GMT
Introduction of newer vehicle models, the LT/NBFL no 2. Similar to current LT/NBFL possibly being fully electric. The advantage from my prospective of those vehicles was the open boarding aspect which is due to end in due course.
For the routes that operate with them, I do indeed see logic behind that - boarding and alighting are completed faster. Without the shadow of a doubt the current routes being operated with them will continue to do so for at least 5 years in to the future. Then it'll be time for the LT/NBFL no 2 by 2024/2025 which will be a similar addition and electric operated.
More changes/cutting are on the way with no doubt, clueless muppets sat in the office have no idea of the negative impacts the changes have on public.
And finally, I hope from heart that a new mayor (Shaun Bailey) is elected in May, he may have a better knowledge and general experience to London Transport.
Quick question my local route the 176 has a mixture of standard and NBFL vehicles, what is the reason for this operation? It would be simpler to convert to entire NBFL! Same factor is the N15 operation.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 16, 2019 11:35:21 GMT
Introduction of newer vehicle models, the LT/NBFL no 2. Similar to current LT/NBFL possibly being fully electric. The advantage from my prospective of those vehicles was the open boarding aspect which is due to end in due course. For the routes that operate with them, I do indeed see logic behind that - boarding and alighting are completed faster. Without the shadow of a doubt the current routes being operated with them will continue to do so for at least 5 years in to the future. Then it'll be time for the LT/NBFL no 2 by 2024/2025 which will be a similar addition and electric operated. More changes/cutting are on the way with no doubt, clueless muppets sat in the office have no idea of the negative impacts the changes have on public. And finally, I hope from heart that a new mayor (Shaun Bailey) is elected in May, he may have a better knowledge and general experience to London Transport. Quick question my local route the 176 has a mixture of standard and NBFL vehicles, what is the reason for this operation? It would be simpler to convert to entire NBFL! Same factor is the N15 operation. I'm guessing paragraphs 1, 2 & 4 are sarcastic as there won't be anymore LT's of any persuasion being built especially after Wrightbus collapse and partial rebirth whilst I have grave concerns about some of Bailey's views including regarding homosexuality. The 176 gained a partial allocation to allow the 88 to fully convert to EH's upon its extension to Parliament Hill Fields and part furnish the 35's PVR increase. The N15 has a full allocation but strays of regular buses occur.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 16, 2019 11:42:02 GMT
Introduction of newer vehicle models, the LT/NBFL no 2. Similar to current LT/NBFL possibly being fully electric. The advantage from my prospective of those vehicles was the open boarding aspect which is due to end in due course. For the routes that operate with them, I do indeed see logic behind that - boarding and alighting are completed faster. Without the shadow of a doubt the current routes being operated with them will continue to do so for at least 5 years in to the future. Then it'll be time for the LT/NBFL no 2 by 2024/2025 which will be a similar addition and electric operated. More changes/cutting are on the way with no doubt, clueless muppets sat in the office have no idea of the negative impacts the changes have on public. And finally, I hope from heart that a new mayor (Shaun Bailey) is elected in May, he may have a better knowledge and general experience to London Transport. Quick question my local route the 176 has a mixture of standard and NBFL vehicles, what is the reason for this operation? It would be simpler to convert to entire NBFL! Same factor is the N15 operation. I'm guessing paragraphs 1, 2 & 4 are sarcastic as there won't be anymore LT's of any persuasion being built especially after Wrightbus collapse and partial rebirth whilst I have grave concerns about some of Bailey's views including regarding homosexuality. The 176 gained a partial allocation to allow the 88 to fully convert to EH's upon its extension to Parliament Hill Fields and part furnish the 35's PVR increase. The N15 has a full allocation but strays of regular buses occur. The 176 seems to be like a holding route for any spare LTs that Go Ahead have. It has donated LTs for PVR increases while absorbing any LTs thag become free from reductions.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 16, 2019 11:52:55 GMT
With the WHVs becoming spare from the 202/405 I can see the 176 releasing more LTs of needed for the 19/67 or any other changes. Does show thou the usefulness of vehicles that can be used by any operator.
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Post by kenmet on Dec 16, 2019 11:58:52 GMT
With the WHVs becoming spare from the 202/405 I can see the 176 releasing more LTs of needed for the 19/67 or any other changes. Does show thou the usefulness of vehicles that can be used by any operator. I think the 19 is due to get the LT's currently on the 67 when the route goes to Go Ahead with LT's from the 176 moving to the 67?
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