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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 29, 2019 15:37:58 GMT
The EL4 sounds like an intriguing route but would there be spare LTs by 2021?
I can't see it run with the other EL routes without the branding and I would certainly think it would be an oddity if not run with them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 15:43:43 GMT
The EL4 sounds like an intriguing route but would there be spare LTs by 2021? I can't see it run with the other EL routes without the branding and I would certainly think it would be an oddity if not run with them. By then all LTs will be boarding via front door only so nothing stopping standard buses in ELT livery being used.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jan 1, 2020 21:19:10 GMT
The EL4 sounds like an intriguing route but would there be spare LTs by 2021? I can't see it run with the other EL routes without the branding and I would certainly think it would be an oddity if not run with them. I thought the original consultation said the EL4 would be a single deck route
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 1, 2020 21:21:33 GMT
The EL4 sounds like an intriguing route but would there be spare LTs by 2021? I can't see it run with the other EL routes without the branding and I would certainly think it would be an oddity if not run with them. I thought the original consultation said the EL4 would be a single deck route Yes I believe you are right, I don't think the demand would be there to fill more than a single decker.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 1, 2020 21:26:13 GMT
I thought the original consultation said the EL4 would be a single deck route Yes I believe you are right, I don't think the demand would be there to fill more than a single decker. Interesting
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Post by britishguy54 on Jan 1, 2020 21:29:17 GMT
I thought the original consultation said the EL4 would be a single deck route Yes I believe you are right, I don't think the demand would be there to fill more than a single decker. I can see it being double decker, but only if it was extended to Romford, which is a lot more likely than the EL2 going to Romford. With the length, which is tiny, could be single decker, but there would then be a lot of new school demand with local schools like the Jo Richardson Community School, which packs local routes like the 62, 145, 173 and 287, but could they then introduce a new school Route? Who knows? TfL can be unpredictable sometimes.
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Post by grahamk748 on Jan 1, 2020 22:01:57 GMT
Second biggest if I'm right with space for 300 buses, WH edges ahead with space for 320 buses. Isn't WH the biggest not just in London but in Europe? I though First had the 2 biggest depots in the UK? Olive grove has about 330 vehicles allocated I think and Caledonia is over 400 I think.
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 2, 2020 0:26:18 GMT
Second biggest if I'm right with space for 300 buses, WH edges ahead with space for 320 buses. Isn't WH the biggest not just in London but in Europe? I'm not too sure about Europe, but First Caledonia is the biggest garage in the UK with 390 buses at my time of searching a couple years ago. Another poster has suggested the capacity is over 400 now, I'm not surprised if this is indeed the case now. I can go one better and tell you the biggest temporary bus garage was in China in 2008, where over 1,000 buses were held close to Beijing for Olympic duties.
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Post by richard on Jan 2, 2020 2:04:55 GMT
Isn't WH the biggest not just in London but in Europe? I'm not too sure about Europe, but First Caledonia is the biggest garage in the UK with 390 buses at my time of searching a couple years ago. Another poster has suggested the capacity is over 400 now, I'm not surprised if this is indeed the case now. I can go one better and tell you the biggest temporary bus garage was in China in 2008, where over 1,000 buses were held close to Beijing for Olympic duties. If we are going on the biggest garage in London I would say WH would be one of them followed by LI,X and possibly W. Wasn't LI moved slightly to make way for the Olympic stadium?
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Post by richard on Jan 2, 2020 2:06:52 GMT
Isn't WH the biggest not just in London but in Europe? I though First had the 2 biggest depots in the UK? Olive grove has about 330 vehicles allocated I think and Caledonia is over 400 I think. Wich garages were those?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 2, 2020 2:44:45 GMT
I'm not too sure about Europe, but First Caledonia is the biggest garage in the UK with 390 buses at my time of searching a couple years ago. Another poster has suggested the capacity is over 400 now, I'm not surprised if this is indeed the case now. I can go one better and tell you the biggest temporary bus garage was in China in 2008, where over 1,000 buses were held close to Beijing for Olympic duties. If we are going on the biggest garage in London I would say WH would be one of them followed by LI,X and possibly W. Wasn't LI moved slightly to make way for the Olympic stadium? NX is a big garage as well
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 2, 2020 3:10:34 GMT
I'm not too sure about Europe, but First Caledonia is the biggest garage in the UK with 390 buses at my time of searching a couple years ago. Another poster has suggested the capacity is over 400 now, I'm not surprised if this is indeed the case now. I can go one better and tell you the biggest temporary bus garage was in China in 2008, where over 1,000 buses were held close to Beijing for Olympic duties. If we are going on the biggest garage in London I would say WH would be one of them followed by LI,X and possibly W. Wasn't LI moved slightly to make way for the Olympic stadium? West Ham is definitely first with up to 350 buses fitting on the compound. I believe RR is actually second with something upwards of 230 buses. After that, it's a close contest between LI, HT, SW and W. Unfortunately I won't know for sure as info on garage capacity is very much non-existent online, unless publicity like 'One of the biggest garages ever built...' encases such information online if/when the media report on it. Almost forgot the history lesson lool: Stagecoach's SD garage and First's H garage, which were both on Waterden Way, was demolished to make way for the Olympic Park in 2007. LI as a replacement was relocated somewhat close to its original site whereas Stagecoach's WH was a little farther away. One of the routes to run from SD was the 276, which was the only route then to run on Waterden Way had changeovers right outside the garage. After that closed the 276 moved to WH where it had changeovers on Manor Road, where it was also the only route serving most of that road! No escape for passengers
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Post by grahamk748 on Jan 2, 2020 7:08:46 GMT
I though First had the 2 biggest depots in the UK? Olive grove has about 330 vehicles allocated I think and Caledonia is over 400 I think. Wich garages were those? Olive Grove in First South Yorkshire in Sheffield and Caledonia is First Glasgow.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jan 2, 2020 7:15:23 GMT
Yes I believe you are right, I don't think the demand would be there to fill more than a single decker. I can see it being double decker, but only if it was extended to Romford, which is a lot more likely than the EL2 going to Romford. With the length, which is tiny, could be single decker, but there would then be a lot of new school demand with local schools like the Jo Richardson Community School, which packs local routes like the 62, 145, 173 and 287, but could they then introduce a new school Route? Who knows? TfL can be unpredictable sometimes. not sure how likely it is to go to Romford, considering theres already the 5, 103, 128, 175 and 499 running along Rush Green Road up to Romford. Similarly, the only "new" section of route will be through Goresbrook,which I dont think could justify running deckers through
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 2, 2020 13:54:36 GMT
I can see it being double decker, but only if it was extended to Romford, which is a lot more likely than the EL2 going to Romford. With the length, which is tiny, could be single decker, but there would then be a lot of new school demand with local schools like the Jo Richardson Community School, which packs local routes like the 62, 145, 173 and 287, but could they then introduce a new school Route? Who knows? TfL can be unpredictable sometimes. not sure how likely it is to go to Romford, considering theres already the 5, 103, 128, 175 and 499 running along Rush Green Road up to Romford. Similarly, the only "new" section of route will be through Goresbrook,which I dont think could justify running deckers through I think the last thing it needs is an extension to Romford, I know the hopper fare excuse has been done to death but with all those buses there simply isn't a need for another one down Rush Green Road. The users of the proposed EL4 will just be people who live down the side roads behind Becontree, and I imagine most of these people will change at the Lodge Avenue flyover for a 62, 287 or 368 to take them into Barking anyway or maybe a 173 to head towards Beckton. All of these routes have Deckers already so should be alright.
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