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Post by richard on Jan 6, 2020 10:42:33 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 6, 2020 11:22:42 GMT
The comments on this are hilarious. Pasted a few below
2. Posted by Biffo on 47 minutes ago Welcome to the world the rest of us live in......To much work, not enough time to do it in, and paid a fraction of what the big boys get. Life's just peachy.
7. Posted by Abe on 38 minutes ago How can they be exhausted? One comes along every 20 minutes, if you're lucky, and they're always waiting at bus stops to "regulate the service".
9. Posted by RonnieRocket on 36 minutes ago It's tough for everyone in the real world..!! I have nothing but contempt for this ridiculous claim Unite looking for any excuse to cause mayhem in the capital. If Bus drivers think they're badly off then I suggest they find alternate employment opportunities and allow people better suited to the job a chance to make the service better
10. Posted by Spolmit on 34 minutes ago I think most workers could argue that they are exhausted at times. I do not think this argument is going to get much sympathy.
17. Posted by notagain on 25 minutes ago Typical. Labour lost the election and now the Unions want to flex their power.
20. Posted by PeterT on 25 minutes ago I wonder how the hours that a bus driver works compares with those who are self employed?
22. Posted by Master Chief on 20 minutes ago So they want proper breaks and finishing shifts on time which will be difficult in London traffic. Sounds like they want more drivers and shorter shifts which translates into more drivers and shorter hours presumably. Because Mayor shortsightedly committed to freeze fares (to get the job) and he has no funds left to do this.
23. Posted by 20Dec on 19 minutes ago I do 60 hour weeks at my job and let me tell you I am exhausted all the time the only difference is I don't get paid London waiting nor do I have the option to strike - if u don't like it get another job simple um sure there are plenty who will take yours
27. Posted by Dave on 17 minutes ago At the end of the day, the Union don't care about safety, they just want the hours reduced so that drivers can get more overtime!
29. Posted by thatman on 18 minutes ago Whats the bet, that a significant pay rise will cure the drivers tiredness problems. They are only steering wheel attendants , sitting on their backside all day, isn't exactly, hard labour.
33. Posted by thatman on 8 minutes ago Never mind, all the buses will be self driving electric vehicles soon, then they can rest till their hearts content.
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Post by richard on Jan 6, 2020 11:36:49 GMT
The comments on this are hilarious. Pasted a few below
2. Posted by Biffo on 47 minutes ago Welcome to the world the rest of us live in......To much work, not enough time to do it in, and paid a fraction of what the big boys get. Life's just peachy.
7. Posted by Abe on 38 minutes ago How can they be exhausted? One comes along every 20 minutes, if you're lucky, and they're always waiting at bus stops to "regulate the service".
9. Posted by RonnieRocket on 36 minutes ago It's tough for everyone in the real world..!! I have nothing but contempt for this ridiculous claim Unite looking for any excuse to cause mayhem in the capital. If Bus drivers think they're badly off then I suggest they find alternate employment opportunities and allow people better suited to the job a chance to make the service better
10. Posted by Spolmit on 34 minutes ago I think most workers could argue that they are exhausted at times. I do not think this argument is going to get much sympathy.
17. Posted by notagain on 25 minutes ago Typical. Labour lost the election and now the Unions want to flex their power.
20. Posted by PeterT on 25 minutes ago I wonder how the hours that a bus driver works compares with those who are self employed?
22. Posted by Master Chief on 20 minutes ago So they want proper breaks and finishing shifts on time which will be difficult in London traffic. Sounds like they want more drivers and shorter shifts which translates into more drivers and shorter hours presumably. Because Mayor shortsightedly committed to freeze fares (to get the job) and he has no funds left to do this.
23. Posted by 20Dec on 19 minutes ago I do 60 hour weeks at my job and let me tell you I am exhausted all the time the only difference is I don't get paid London waiting nor do I have the option to strike - if u don't like it get another job simple um sure there are plenty who will take yours
27. Posted by Dave on 17 minutes ago At the end of the day, the Union don't care about safety, they just want the hours reduced so that drivers can get more overtime!
29. Posted by thatman on 18 minutes ago Whats the bet, that a significant pay rise will cure the drivers tiredness problems. They are only steering wheel attendants , sitting on their backside all day, isn't exactly, hard labour.
33. Posted by thatman on 8 minutes ago Never mind, all the buses will be self driving electric vehicles soon, then they can rest till their hearts content.
😂😂😂 that's hilarious it wouldn't surprise me if people are thinking that. Number 7 makes me laugh
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Post by busman on Jan 6, 2020 11:39:13 GMT
It’s a shame that drivers have to strike to have the situation properly addressed. Whilst many jobs involve long hours, not many involve transporting large numbers of people. Without wishing to sound overly dramatic, bus drivers are literally responsible for the lives of the passengers on board. If they fall asleep at the wheel or lose concentration the result could be fatal for those on the bus, other road users and pedestrians. I would be interested to hear how drivers feel bus companies should address the problem. Is the issue actually the number of hours worked or is it more to do with allocated breaks and the shift patterns involved? Bus strikes are relatively rare in this day and age, so what has changed over the years to cause this situation?
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Post by londonbusboy on Jan 6, 2020 11:46:26 GMT
It’s a shame that drivers have to strike to have the situation properly addressed. Whilst many jobs involve long hours, not many involve transporting large numbers of people. Without wishing to sound overly dramatic, bus drivers are literally responsible for the lives of the passengers on board. If they fall asleep at the wheel or lose concentration the result could be fatal for those on the bus, other road users and pedestrians. I would be interested to hear how drivers feel bus companies should address the problem. Is the issue actually the number of hours worked or is it more to do with allocated breaks and the shift patterns involved? Bus strikes are relatively rare in this day and age, so what has changed over the years to cause this situation? The main issue for me is the 6 and 7 day stints. Coupled together with bus companies fiddled rota'd hours, The 38 or 40 hours should be factored into days worked between rest days.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 6, 2020 14:36:58 GMT
It’s a shame that drivers have to strike to have the situation properly addressed. Whilst many jobs involve long hours, not many involve transporting large numbers of people. Without wishing to sound overly dramatic, bus drivers are literally responsible for the lives of the passengers on board. If they fall asleep at the wheel or lose concentration the result could be fatal for those on the bus, other road users and pedestrians. I would be interested to hear how drivers feel bus companies should address the problem. Is the issue actually the number of hours worked or is it more to do with allocated breaks and the shift patterns involved? Bus strikes are relatively rare in this day and age, so what has changed over the years to cause this situation? Your last line is why I’m more sympathetic to bus drivers striking than tube or train drivers because it doesn’t happen often so when it does, I look at it as something serious must be going on.
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Post by george on Jan 6, 2020 14:52:53 GMT
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Post by joefrombow on Jan 6, 2020 17:49:38 GMT
The comments on this are hilarious. Pasted a few below
2. Posted by Biffo on 47 minutes ago Welcome to the world the rest of us live in......To much work, not enough time to do it in, and paid a fraction of what the big boys get. Life's just peachy.
7. Posted by Abe on 38 minutes ago How can they be exhausted? One comes along every 20 minutes, if you're lucky, and they're always waiting at bus stops to "regulate the service".
9. Posted by RonnieRocket on 36 minutes ago It's tough for everyone in the real world..!! I have nothing but contempt for this ridiculous claim Unite looking for any excuse to cause mayhem in the capital. If Bus drivers think they're badly off then I suggest they find alternate employment opportunities and allow people better suited to the job a chance to make the service better
10. Posted by Spolmit on 34 minutes ago I think most workers could argue that they are exhausted at times. I do not think this argument is going to get much sympathy.
17. Posted by notagain on 25 minutes ago Typical. Labour lost the election and now the Unions want to flex their power.
20. Posted by PeterT on 25 minutes ago I wonder how the hours that a bus driver works compares with those who are self employed?
22. Posted by Master Chief on 20 minutes ago So they want proper breaks and finishing shifts on time which will be difficult in London traffic. Sounds like they want more drivers and shorter shifts which translates into more drivers and shorter hours presumably. Because Mayor shortsightedly committed to freeze fares (to get the job) and he has no funds left to do this.
23. Posted by 20Dec on 19 minutes ago I do 60 hour weeks at my job and let me tell you I am exhausted all the time the only difference is I don't get paid London waiting nor do I have the option to strike - if u don't like it get another job simple um sure there are plenty who will take yours
27. Posted by Dave on 17 minutes ago At the end of the day, the Union don't care about safety, they just want the hours reduced so that drivers can get more overtime!
29. Posted by thatman on 18 minutes ago Whats the bet, that a significant pay rise will cure the drivers tiredness problems. They are only steering wheel attendants , sitting on their backside all day, isn't exactly, hard labour.
33. Posted by thatman on 8 minutes ago Never mind, all the buses will be self driving electric vehicles soon, then they can rest till their hearts content.
These Trolls are ridiculous 😂 The mentality is I get paid Ship and have to work long hours so everyone else should , I really don't get it this is why collectively in the UK wages are low in a number of jobs which certainly could do with better pay especially in and around London compared to France were the whole country kicks up a stink if they don't like something I think we need to adapt more of that mentality here but back to topic , I think the 6/7days on the trot then two off is ridiculous and that ALL HGV/PCV drivers should follow the EU Drivers Hours yes it would be a pain in the harris for companies to work around etc but I don't see why you have different rules for different drivers is driving a Lorry on a Motorway no different from driving a Bus around town for 4.5 Hours If not worst ? Combine that with lates one week then 7 shifts on the trot 2 off then 7 earlies seems like s recipe for disaster , or I'm I wrong ?
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Post by greenboy on Jan 6, 2020 19:46:40 GMT
So what is the solution? Reduce the hours and Unite will be complaining about the reduction in wages.
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Post by rmz19 on Jan 6, 2020 20:12:33 GMT
I'm not really familiar with this situation, but if drivers are complaining about long hours without adequate rest time then surely bus companies/TFL should recruit more drivers? This would allow existing drivers to be able to rest more and be replaced by others. It's probably not that transparent but I can't see another legitimate solution. If drivers desire to work more because the extra pay is needed for personal reasons then surely the 'exhaustion' should be expected? Unless the working conditions itself is a major concern then I don't see how a strike is justified. I'm happy to be enlightened on this matter.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 6, 2020 20:50:44 GMT
I'm not really familiar with this situation, but if drivers are complaining about long hours without adequate rest time then surely bus companies/TFL should recruit more drivers? This would allow existing drivers to be able to rest more and be replaced by others. It's probably not that transparent but I can't see another legitimate solution. If drivers desire to work more because the extra pay is needed for personal reasons then surely the 'exhaustion' should be expected? Unless the working conditions itself is a major concern then I don't see how a strike is justified. I'm happy to be enlightened on this matter. Easier said than done though when bus operators are forever advertising for drivers - there’s been a general shortage of drivers for a long while now.
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Post by richard on Jan 6, 2020 21:50:51 GMT
So what is the solution? Reduce the hours and Unite will be complaining about the reduction in wages. I don't think TFL and Unite know what each other want tbh it's like a tug of war between the two at the moment there seems to be no solution I hope Mr Khan will talk to the union unlike his predecessor a certain Mr B
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Post by londonbusboy on Jan 6, 2020 22:17:16 GMT
There is a union notice up in my garage saying what they want. Sadly it mentions nothing about the amount of days we work being reduced.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 6, 2020 23:28:09 GMT
So what is the solution? Reduce the hours and Unite will be complaining about the reduction in wages. I don't think TFL and Unite know what each other want tbh it's like a tug of war between the two at the moment there seems to be no solution I hope Mr Khan will talk to the union unlike his predecessor a certain Mr B Unite only do things when it suits them. So many matters over the years when drivers complain, it goes on death ears. Union membership is lower than ever down to things like this and it seems that Unite only do things for political gain. Khan may have a better relationship with Unite, but not with bus drivers...
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 6, 2020 23:46:12 GMT
It’s a shame that drivers have to strike to have the situation properly addressed. Whilst many jobs involve long hours, not many involve transporting large numbers of people. Without wishing to sound overly dramatic, bus drivers are literally responsible for the lives of the passengers on board. If they fall asleep at the wheel or lose concentration the result could be fatal for those on the bus, other road users and pedestrians. I would be interested to hear how drivers feel bus companies should address the problem. Is the issue actually the number of hours worked or is it more to do with allocated breaks and the shift patterns involved? Bus strikes are relatively rare in this day and age, so what has changed over the years to cause this situation? Even if it comes to a strike, there are now a lot on non union drivers, then even worse you have the 'scab' who are in the union but would still go out and drive. I found rota's were better imo 20 years ago with multiple route rotas. The rotas we now have are direct result of some drivers. The worst for fatigue is always going from dead late to early. Over the years we have had later finishes (into night bus territory) on many bus routes and earlier starts all which do not help. Combined with higher frequencies late into the evening and early morning where it is hardly needed.
There has been various strikes over the years from individual companies but hardly all-out all company strikes. Unite are calling for driver to come off on break and finish on time etc. it is virtually impossible due to the nature of the job. It can almost be done, but this would heavily inconvenience passengers if say you had traffic on Ilford Hill and 25's going through to Ilford and back losing around 25 mins making buses come off 5-10 mins late, they would see this as forced overtime and in the evening peak, you can get 3 in every 4 buses curtailed away. These measures are what ruined bus services in the 70's and 80's where London Transport then curtailed buses for every little thing. It was no wonder when we had tendering and the private operators came in and were operating more mileage it started to see people using them again. One thing that also adds fatigue is so much traffic, roadworks, cyclists etc. driving a bus in service at say 5pm is a lot harder than 11pm at night.
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