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Post by SILENCED on Jun 30, 2020 22:11:20 GMT
Latest is a press release about supply line for the 20 new Ryse/Wrightbus hydrogen buses for TfL. Hydrogen fuel will be trucked 200 mile from Runcorn to Perivale. Not sure what the point of having a hydrogen bus is, if you send a diesel truck on a 400 mile round trip to fuel it. The mayor of London is a genius at irony Are we sure they do not have a hydrogen powered truck? Also depends how many bus miles you get out of one truck as to whether it is good or not.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 30, 2020 23:04:06 GMT
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Post by LJ17THF on Aug 31, 2020 8:46:58 GMT
I know Wright have a hydrogen DD bus, Optare will have one, but what about ADL, they had a single one, SN15LRU, but there wasn't any news after that. Are ADL sticking to electrics, or are they quietly developing it?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 31, 2020 11:53:49 GMT
I know Wright have a hydrogen DD bus, Optare will have one, but what about ADL, they had a single one, SN15LRU, but there wasn't any news after that. Are ADL sticking to electrics, or are they quietly developing it? ADL offer the Hydrogen bus as a product as seen on their website. www.alexander-dennis.com/products/double-deck-buses-2-axle/enviro400fc/It's called the Enviro400 FC, there doesn't seem to be a huge deal of information on their website so I'd assume it'll be a case of finishing development when demand demands it. I don't think they're going to fall into the same mistake of Wright where they stick with developing a sole sort of zero emission, even though the market has quite clearly gone to the alternative and then have a hard time selling any zero emission vehicles and then start developing a vehicle when it's too late.
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Post by LJ17THF on Aug 31, 2020 13:00:52 GMT
I know Wright have a hydrogen DD bus, Optare will have one, but what about ADL, they had a single one, SN15LRU, but there wasn't any news after that. Are ADL sticking to electrics, or are they quietly developing it? ADL offer the Hydrogen bus as a product as seen on their website. www.alexander-dennis.com/products/double-deck-buses-2-axle/enviro400fc/It's called the Enviro400 FC, there doesn't seem to be a huge deal of information on their website so I'd assume it'll be a case of finishing development when demand demands it. I don't think they're going to fall into the same mistake of Wright where they stick with developing a sole sort of zero emission, even though the market has quite clearly gone to the alternative and then have a hard time selling any zero emission vehicles and then start developing a vehicle when it's too late. That would be understandable, they are getting quite a lot of orders for the E400EV, while I don't think they've got any orders for the E400FC.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 31, 2020 19:55:06 GMT
I am looking forward to see the hydrogens on the 7 and intrigued to see if any or how quickly further orders follow. Would an operator try for an all hydrogen garage like NP have tried witn electric.
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Post by george on Aug 31, 2020 19:59:48 GMT
I am looking forward to see the hydrogens on the 7 and intrigued to see if any or how quickly further orders follow. Would an operator try for an all hydrogen garage like NP have tried witn electric. Few questions. 1. Have the hydrogens been confirmed as ordered? 2. If so as the has the 7 been removed from the tender programme? 3. if that's a no with (2) will they be moved to another route or will the order be cancelled if 7 is lost?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 31, 2020 21:06:59 GMT
I am looking forward to see the hydrogens on the 7 and intrigued to see if any or how quickly further orders follow. Would an operator try for an all hydrogen garage like NP have tried witn electric. Few questions. 1. Have the hydrogens been confirmed as ordered? 2. If so as the has the 7 been removed from the tender programme? 3. if that's a no with (2) will they be moved to another route or will the order be cancelled if 7 is lost? The 245 would likely be allocated with them if the 7 was lost along with some VWHs as spares.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 31, 2020 21:08:47 GMT
I am looking forward to see the hydrogens on the 7 and intrigued to see if any or how quickly further orders follow. Would an operator try for an all hydrogen garage like NP have tried witn electric. The issue is the Hydrogen fueling station is a lot harder to install than chargers, and you have to arrange for Hydrogen delivery which is a headache. Metroline are only getting them because TfL took most responsibility for the tendering of the Hydrogen fuel plant and I believe the money came out of the green bus fund, although not 100% sure on that. I am looking forward to see the hydrogens on the 7 and intrigued to see if any or how quickly further orders follow. Would an operator try for an all hydrogen garage like NP have tried witn electric. Few questions. 1. Have the hydrogens been confirmed as ordered? 2. If so as the has the 7 been removed from the tender programme? 3. if that's a no with (2) will they be moved to another route or will the order be cancelled if 7 is lost? Yes they are indeed confirmed now. The 7 is still up for tender so I would assume if it's lost then the buses would be put on the 245.
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Post by george on Aug 31, 2020 21:19:34 GMT
I am looking forward to see the hydrogens on the 7 and intrigued to see if any or how quickly further orders follow. Would an operator try for an all hydrogen garage like NP have tried witn electric. The issue is the Hydrogen fueling station is a lot harder to install than chargers, and you have to arrange for Hydrogen delivery which is a headache. Metroline are only getting them because TfL took most responsibility for the tendering of the Hydrogen fuel plant and I believe the money came out of the green bus fund, although not 100% sure on that. Few questions. 1. Have the hydrogens been confirmed as ordered? 2. If so as the has the 7 been removed from the tender programme? 3. if that's a no with (2) will they be moved to another route or will the order be cancelled if 7 is lost? Yes they are indeed confirmed now. The 7 is still up for tender so I would assume if it's lost then the buses would be put on the 245. Of course I'm thinking out loud here but if 7 is lost it will mean that PV will only have one route so could a route from over from PA like the 31 for example? I don't really know how close PA and PV are too each other but I guess they aren't far.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 31, 2020 21:44:20 GMT
The issue is the Hydrogen fueling station is a lot harder to install than chargers, and you have to arrange for Hydrogen delivery which is a headache. Metroline are only getting them because TfL took most responsibility for the tendering of the Hydrogen fuel plant and I believe the money came out of the green bus fund, although not 100% sure on that. Yes they are indeed confirmed now. The 7 is still up for tender so I would assume if it's lost then the buses would be put on the 245. Of course I'm thinking out loud here but if 7 is lost it will mean that PV will only have one route so could a route from over from PA like the 31 for example? I don't really know how close PA and PV are too each other but I guess they aren't far. No doubt the 31 could most definitely be run from PV my only question is the location of the garage for things like driver changeovers. PA is situated right outside Perivale, however it's a rather long walk to Hanger Lane to the Central Line. I presume driver changeovers are done at White City with drivers using the Central Line. Routes like the 95, 112, 483, 487 could all be very good routes to run from PV, the 79 and 224 could be won from PV, the 226 could always be run from PV because of how close it is to Ealing Broadway meaning very short deadruns. If TFL are still in a bad financial state, routes currently run by ON could always be transferred to PV. Question would be where the 83 would stand, the 83 or 245 could always be extended round to PV via Athlon Road, Manor Farm Road and the B456.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 31, 2020 21:55:29 GMT
Of course I'm thinking out loud here but if 7 is lost it will mean that PV will only have one route so could a route from over from PA like the 31 for example? I don't really know how close PA and PV are too each other but I guess they aren't far. No doubt the 31 could most definitely be run from PV my only question is the location of the garage for things like driver changeovers. PA is situated right outside Perivale, however it's a rather long walk to Hanger Lane to the Central Line. I presume driver changeovers are done at White City with drivers using the Central Line. Routes like the 95, 112, 483, 487 could all be very good routes to run from PV, the 79 and 224 could be won from PV, the 226 could always be run from PV because of how close it is to Ealing Broadway meaning very short deadruns. If TFL are still in a bad financial state, routes currently run by ON could always be transferred to PV. Question would be where the 83 would stand, the 83 or 245 could always be extended round to PV via Athlon Road, Manor Farm Road and the B456. Why would routes transfer from ON for financial reasons when ON is moving sites in the near future?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 31, 2020 22:28:29 GMT
No doubt the 31 could most definitely be run from PV my only question is the location of the garage for things like driver changeovers. PA is situated right outside Perivale, however it's a rather long walk to Hanger Lane to the Central Line. I presume driver changeovers are done at White City with drivers using the Central Line. Routes like the 95, 112, 483, 487 could all be very good routes to run from PV, the 79 and 224 could be won from PV, the 226 could always be run from PV because of how close it is to Ealing Broadway meaning very short deadruns. If TFL are still in a bad financial state, routes currently run by ON could always be transferred to PV. Question would be where the 83 would stand, the 83 or 245 could always be extended round to PV via Athlon Road, Manor Farm Road and the B456. Why would routes transfer from ON for financial reasons when ON is moving sites in the near future? If money was needing to be saved - which I would much prefer ON completely closing than having route cuts, then PV would be a very good garage for ON to migrate to.
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Post by LJ17THF on Aug 31, 2020 22:36:18 GMT
The issue is the Hydrogen fueling station is a lot harder to install than chargers, and you have to arrange for Hydrogen delivery which is a headache. Metroline are only getting them because TfL took most responsibility for the tendering of the Hydrogen fuel plant and I believe the money came out of the green bus fund, although not 100% sure on that. Yes they are indeed confirmed now. The 7 is still up for tender so I would assume if it's lost then the buses would be put on the 245. Of course I'm thinking out loud here but if 7 is lost it will mean that PV will only have one route so could a route from over from PA like the 31 for example? I don't really know how close PA and PV are too each other but I guess they aren't far. Both garages are far from full, so there wouldn't be too much of a need to move buses around.
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Post by george on Aug 31, 2020 23:03:03 GMT
Of course I'm thinking out loud here but if 7 is lost it will mean that PV will only have one route so could a route from over from PA like the 31 for example? I don't really know how close PA and PV are too each other but I guess they aren't far. Both garages are far from full, so there wouldn't be too much of a need to move buses around. Is there much point of operating just one route from a garage though? Of course I get the need for space and more garages the better but surely just having one route run from a garage when the next nearest garage is only a few minutes away doesn't make that much sense. If 7 is lost then it's possible that 245 moves to PA with PV being mothballed. However I'm pretty confident that Metroline will keep the 7.
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