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Post by sdaniel on May 8, 2024 11:21:51 GMT
Minor adjustments I’d make is extending the 349 to Hackney Central via Upper Clapton, Lower Clapton and Mare Street as the 253 does. The area seems rather secluded from the north bar trunk route 254. Id reroute the 253 to Homerton Hospital from Clapton Girls Academy via Jack Dunning Estate and Homerton Station. Provides the link to Homerton directly when many people from Upper Clapton and Stamford Hill areas are referred there with no direct link bar the complicated 276 at Stokey. That is all. The 253 following the 425's routing (from what I can see) to Homerton Hospital could prove a useful extra link to the hospital, but it would make the route miss Hackney Central, which has a lot better connections than Homerton Hospital. I think the borough of Hackney have been pushing for a 253 reroute to Homerton Hospital for a long time now, and it has been mentioned on this forum multiple times before that the main thing preventing this from happening is the LTs that the 253 uses failing the route test around Homerton Hospital. That would mean a change in vehicle type of the 253, making it quite operationally inconvenient to run the 253 out of Clapton, which is currently a full LT garage. Personally I think rerouting the 253 to Homerton Hospital is a good idea because technically 253 and 254 already parallels from Holloway up to Clapton and new links such as Homerton to Stamford Hill & Manor House & Holloway and Camden Town will be created. People wanting to make journeys to Hackney Central can take the 254 or even the 106. Moreover, I reconsidered your idea of extending 349 to Hackney Central and I think it sounds good to be honest. But I see what you mean about the 253 vehicles.
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Post by greg on May 8, 2024 12:20:45 GMT
Minor adjustments I’d make is extending the 349 to Hackney Central via Upper Clapton, Lower Clapton and Mare Street as the 253 does. The area seems rather secluded from the north bar trunk route 254. Id reroute the 253 to Homerton Hospital from Clapton Girls Academy via Jack Dunning Estate and Homerton Station. Provides the link to Homerton directly when many people from Upper Clapton and Stamford Hill areas are referred there with no direct link bar the complicated 276 at Stokey. That is all. The 253 following the 425's routing (from what I can see) to Homerton Hospital could prove a useful extra link to the hospital, but it would make the route miss Hackney Central, which has a lot better connections than Homerton Hospital. I think the borough of Hackney have been pushing for a 253 reroute to Homerton Hospital for a long time now, and it has been mentioned on this forum multiple times before that the main thing preventing this from happening is the LTs that the 253 uses failing the route test around Homerton Hospital. That would mean a change in vehicle type of the 253, making it quite operationally inconvenient to run the 253 out of Clapton, which is currently a full LT garage. I reckon it would be fine missing Hackney Central. It’s actually quite empty after Clapton Square (which is the bus stop just before being rerouted away to Homerton if it was to go ahead. Most people dont go all the way to the station, it is quicker to walk through Mare Street. Also, Pembury Circus is gridlocked 9/10 a day, and if you cant remove a route, then add a route with unique links, which would be the 349. The 254’s frequency is more than adequate for any existing 253 passenger, who would weirdly go any further than Holloway via bus from Hackney Central. As for the garage situation, it will be something that has to be done, don’t see why operational difficulties are a major player. CT use to have the 38, 73 and 242 bar in mind. They could have housed the 38, 73 and 254 at CT and 242 at AE but they didn’t. Also you could go further to extend the 253 to Hackney Wick and avoid changing the LTs, the 425 routing isn’t an issue, instead of serving inside the hospital grounds, you could drive straight to Glyn Road and up to Hackney Wick / Trowbridge Estate. Homerton Hospital would be no more than a short minute walk away and it would serve straight line roads.
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Post by sdaniel on May 8, 2024 12:28:33 GMT
The 253 following the 425's routing (from what I can see) to Homerton Hospital could prove a useful extra link to the hospital, but it would make the route miss Hackney Central, which has a lot better connections than Homerton Hospital. I think the borough of Hackney have been pushing for a 253 reroute to Homerton Hospital for a long time now, and it has been mentioned on this forum multiple times before that the main thing preventing this from happening is the LTs that the 253 uses failing the route test around Homerton Hospital. That would mean a change in vehicle type of the 253, making it quite operationally inconvenient to run the 253 out of Clapton, which is currently a full LT garage. I reckon it would be fine missing Hackney Central. It’s actually quite empty after Clapton Square (which is the bus stop just before being rerouted away to Homerton if it was to go ahead. Most people dont go all the way to the station, it is quicker to walk through Mare Street. Also, Pembury Circus is gridlocked 9/10 a day, and if you cant remove a route, then add a route with unique links, which would be the 349. The 254’s frequency is more than adequate for any existing 253 passenger, who would weirdly go any further than Holloway via bus from Hackney Central. As for the garage situation, it will be something that has to be done, don’t see why operational difficulties are a major player. CT use to have the 38, 73 and 242 bar in mind. They could have housed the 38, 73 and 254 at CT and 242 at AE but they didn’t. Also you could go further to extend the 253 to Hackney Wick and avoid changing the LTs, the 425 routing isn’t an issue, instead of serving inside the hospital grounds, you could drive straight to Glyn Road and up to Hackney Wick / Trowbridge Estate. Homerton Hospital would be no more than a short minute walk away and it would serve straight line roads. Extending the 253 further to Hackney Wick might make the route too long I’m afraid since it has to deal with a lot of traffic at Amhurst Park during rush hours.
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Post by WH241 on May 8, 2024 12:57:08 GMT
Minor adjustments I’d make is extending the 349 to Hackney Central via Upper Clapton, Lower Clapton and Mare Street as the 253 does. The area seems rather secluded from the north bar trunk route 254. Id reroute the 253 to Homerton Hospital from Clapton Girls Academy via Jack Dunning Estate and Homerton Station. Provides the link to Homerton directly when many people from Upper Clapton and Stamford Hill areas are referred there with no direct link bar the complicated 276 at Stokey. That is all. The 253 following the 425's routing (from what I can see) to Homerton Hospital could prove a useful extra link to the hospital, but it would make the route miss Hackney Central, which has a lot better connections than Homerton Hospital. I think the borough of Hackney have been pushing for a 253 reroute to Homerton Hospital for a long time now, and it has been mentioned on this forum multiple times before that the main thing preventing this from happening is the LTs that the 253 uses failing the route test around Homerton Hospital. That would mean a change in vehicle type of the 253, making it quite operationally inconvenient to run the 253 out of Clapton, which is currently a full LT garage. CT ran LTs and HVs until February so don’t see it being an issue if the 253 was to ever convert from LT.
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Post by Trafalgax on May 8, 2024 16:40:51 GMT
The 253 following the 425's routing (from what I can see) to Homerton Hospital could prove a useful extra link to the hospital, but it would make the route miss Hackney Central, which has a lot better connections than Homerton Hospital. I think the borough of Hackney have been pushing for a 253 reroute to Homerton Hospital for a long time now, and it has been mentioned on this forum multiple times before that the main thing preventing this from happening is the LTs that the 253 uses failing the route test around Homerton Hospital. That would mean a change in vehicle type of the 253, making it quite operationally inconvenient to run the 253 out of Clapton, which is currently a full LT garage. Personally I think rerouting the 253 to Homerton Hospital is a good idea because technically 253 and 254 already parallels from Holloway up to Clapton and new links such as Homerton to Stamford Hill & Manor House & Holloway and Camden Town will be created. People wanting to make journeys to Hackney Central can take the 254 or even the 106. Moreover, I reconsidered your idea of extending 349 to Hackney Central and I think it sounds good to be honest. But I see what you mean about the 253 vehicles. I have to disagree, I believe Hackney Central is a better terminus for 253 since it's basically the hotspot of Hackney. Also, you're only looking at it in one direction and not the other, the 254 usually arrives at Hackney Central busy in peak hours and the 253 is in the right place to provide the extra capacity needed for people who want to go further along the A107. If something were to go Homerton Hospital, maybe the 349? That probably wouldn't work either due to traffic, the most 349 could do is Clapton Pond. Don't forgot there's also 425 and 488 (and also 242, although indirect.)
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Post by ZiyQ on May 8, 2024 18:52:16 GMT
The 253 following the 425's routing (from what I can see) to Homerton Hospital could prove a useful extra link to the hospital, but it would make the route miss Hackney Central, which has a lot better connections than Homerton Hospital. I think the borough of Hackney have been pushing for a 253 reroute to Homerton Hospital for a long time now, and it has been mentioned on this forum multiple times before that the main thing preventing this from happening is the LTs that the 253 uses failing the route test around Homerton Hospital. That would mean a change in vehicle type of the 253, making it quite operationally inconvenient to run the 253 out of Clapton, which is currently a full LT garage. CT ran LTs and HVs until February so don’t see it being an issue if the 253 was to ever convert from LT. Apologies for the misunderstanding - Non-LT buses should be fine in CT, despite the very minor issues that still arise. I can see a 349 extension happening to replace the 253 routing, although running it over the routing of the 56 would make it avoid some of the traffic hotspots near Hackney Central station. Using the current 253 routing might make it slightly too unreliable, and would introduce a new round-the-corner link for residents on Pembury Road.
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Post by greg on May 8, 2024 23:27:09 GMT
Personally I think rerouting the 253 to Homerton Hospital is a good idea because technically 253 and 254 already parallels from Holloway up to Clapton and new links such as Homerton to Stamford Hill & Manor House & Holloway and Camden Town will be created. People wanting to make journeys to Hackney Central can take the 254 or even the 106. Moreover, I reconsidered your idea of extending 349 to Hackney Central and I think it sounds good to be honest. But I see what you mean about the 253 vehicles. I have to disagree, I believe Hackney Central is a better terminus for 253 since it's basically the hotspot of Hackney. Also, you're only looking at it in one direction and not the other, the 254 usually arrives at Hackney Central busy in peak hours and the 253 is in the right place to provide the extra capacity needed for people who want to go further along the A107. If something were to go Homerton Hospital, maybe the 349? That probably wouldn't work either due to traffic, the most 349 could do is Clapton Pond. Don't forgot there's also 425 and 488 (and also 242, although indirect.) Im sorry, but simple solution would be to deal with it. The 106 provides capacity as does the 55 up to Clapton, the 276 not too far feom certain areas despite its awkward routing. The 254 often comes from every 2-6 minutes. Id also argue that the 253 barely serves Hackney Central coming from the north, it ends at the station and stands at the bus garage, missing out the MAIN area by Hackney Town Hall and Morning Lane. I have been at Sixth form in this area just reaching my final few days and i see nothing but empty 253’s and crazy long journey times sometimes taking it all the way to Euston. A reroute towards Homerton would definitely benefit journeys up North of Upper Clapton and not face the gridlocks of Pembury Circus. You’ll see busier 106s out of the two trunk routes and that’s because the 254 is so frequent. The 253 empties out at Clapton Square which is the stop it could be rerouted from, so yet again wouldn’t cause any clashes. The only concern Id have is during the day times, with the 254 perhaps needing some assistance for the school hours and the schools in Hackney, Urswick, Cardinal Pole and so on and this could easily be solved a by school route like a 652 or something from Manor House to Hackney Town Hall serving if not all then most schools. Id argue the 106 could get some extra Stoke Newington - Whitechapel during school peaks.
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Post by Trafalgax on May 9, 2024 9:42:26 GMT
I have to disagree, I believe Hackney Central is a better terminus for 253 since it's basically the hotspot of Hackney. Also, you're only looking at it in one direction and not the other, the 254 usually arrives at Hackney Central busy in peak hours and the 253 is in the right place to provide the extra capacity needed for people who want to go further along the A107. If something were to go Homerton Hospital, maybe the 349? That probably wouldn't work either due to traffic, the most 349 could do is Clapton Pond. Don't forgot there's also 425 and 488 (and also 242, although indirect.) Im sorry, but simple solution would be to deal with it. The 106 provides capacity as does the 55 up to Clapton, the 276 not too far feom certain areas despite its awkward routing. The 254 often comes from every 2-6 minutes. Id also argue that the 253 barely serves Hackney Central coming from the north, it ends at the station and stands at the bus garage, missing out the MAIN area by Hackney Town Hall and Morning Lane. I have been at Sixth form in this area just reaching my final few days and i see nothing but empty 253’s and crazy long journey times sometimes taking it all the way to Euston. A reroute towards Homerton would definitely benefit journeys up North of Upper Clapton and not face the gridlocks of Pembury Circus. You’ll see busier 106s out of the two trunk routes and that’s because the 254 is so frequent. The 253 empties out at Clapton Square which is the stop it could be rerouted from, so yet again wouldn’t cause any clashes. The only concern Id have is during the day times, with the 254 perhaps needing some assistance for the school hours and the schools in Hackney, Urswick, Cardinal Pole and so on and this could easily be solved a by school route like a 652 or something from Manor House to Hackney Town Hall serving if not all then most schools. Id argue the 106 could get some extra Stoke Newington - Whitechapel during school peaks. I'm not sure what you mean when you said it barely serves Hackney Central. The 253 serves Hackney Central and there's no getting around that. You seem to be forgetting about Mare Street which has been pedestrianized for some years and houses many shops. I could also argue that routes always empty out when they’re close to their terminus. No route stays busy when they’re near their terminus unless they end at major places like Stratford or White City.
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Post by londonbusbro on May 9, 2024 13:35:43 GMT
10 Camberwell Green- Russell square Via walworth, Elephant and castle, kennington, Lambeth North, Whitehall horse Guards, trafalgar square and tottenham court road
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Post by southlondon413 on May 9, 2024 13:40:35 GMT
10 Camberwell Green- Russell square Via walworth, Elephant and castle, kennington, Lambeth North, Whitehall horse Guards, trafalgar square and tottenham court road So basically the 12 with a slight deviation to Russell Square? Could that not just be achieved by taking the 12 to E&C and changing to the 176? Albeit a short walk but I don’t think it would be needed.
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Post by WH241 on May 9, 2024 13:44:04 GMT
10 Camberwell Green- Russell square Via walworth, Elephant and castle, kennington, Lambeth North, Whitehall horse Guards, trafalgar square and tottenham court road So basically the 12 with a slight deviation to Russell Square? Could that not just be achieved by taking the 12 to E&C and changing to the 176? Albeit a short walk but I don’t think it would be needed. Yes but don’t forget everywhere has to have “new” links and passengers can’t be expected to change buses and use the hopper fare 😉
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Post by vjaska on May 9, 2024 13:54:04 GMT
10 Camberwell Green- Russell square Via walworth, Elephant and castle, kennington, Lambeth North, Whitehall horse Guards, trafalgar square and tottenham court road So basically the 12 with a slight deviation to Russell Square? Could that not just be achieved by taking the 12 to E&C and changing to the 176? Albeit a short walk but I don’t think it would be needed. Yes indeed, anyone desperately wanting Russell Square would do what you would describe, really no need for this route.
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Post by bk10mfe on May 9, 2024 14:00:11 GMT
10 Camberwell Green- Russell square Via walworth, Elephant and castle, kennington, Lambeth North, Whitehall horse Guards, trafalgar square and tottenham court road So basically the 12 with a slight deviation to Russell Square? Could that not just be achieved by taking the 12 to E&C and changing to the 176? Albeit a short walk but I don’t think it would be needed. I know the 3 was suggested to go to Russell Square for the Elizabeth line at TCR which actually would have been useful, & something that should have been done if the 3 hadn’t been sent to Victoria.
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Post by londonbusbro on May 9, 2024 15:34:03 GMT
So basically the 12 with a slight deviation to Russell Square? Could that not just be achieved by taking the 12 to E&C and changing to the 176? Albeit a short walk but I don’t think it would be needed. I know the 3 was suggested to go to Russell Square for the Elizabeth line at TCR which actually would have been useful, & something that should have been done if the 3 hadn’t been sent to Victoria. that was the inspiration and i agree 100%
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Post by twobellstogo on May 9, 2024 15:40:21 GMT
I know the 3 was suggested to go to Russell Square for the Elizabeth line at TCR which actually would have been useful, & something that should have been done if the 3 hadn’t been sent to Victoria. that was the inspiration and i agree 100% Doesn’t need a whole new route though to do the British Museum/Russell Square run. Just extend either the 7 or the 176 and be done with it, though the latter might be stretching it length wise.
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