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Post by VPL630 on Jun 30, 2021 17:40:09 GMT
Was it really necessary of them to rename the different variants like this rather than simply have electric Streetdeck, hydrogen Streetdeck & Streetdeck for the diesel version? I know Wrightbus have done this in the past to denote different chassis on the single deckers but the double deck range stopped this practice with the Gemini2 & Gemini3. Think it is just the new owners stamping their mark on the business, moving on from the Wright's. The 'liner names sound very Neoplan to me, generally a name associated with quality. It might be associated with quality but nothing recent has been quality from Wrightbus, and this is typed from someone who’s just got out of the cab of a Streetdeck…
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 30, 2021 17:47:15 GMT
Was it really necessary of them to rename the different variants like this rather than simply have electric Streetdeck, hydrogen Streetdeck & Streetdeck for the diesel version? I know Wrightbus have done this in the past to denote different chassis on the single deckers but the double deck range stopped this practice with the Gemini2 & Gemini3. Think it is just the new owners stamping their mark on the business, moving on from the Wright's. The 'liner names sound very Neoplan to me, generally a name associated with quality. Personally I like the rebrand and product range ... just need FCEV and BEV single decks to be added to the range. Where are all you death of Streetlte range sayers now? I guess it simplifies stuff, the GB Hawk name for the Pulsar (SB200) replacement sounds more like a rugby club At least there's 6 cylinder grunt now, so Arriva may be interested if they need to replace single deckers outside London but can't bear the thought of an underpowered 227hp Streetlite 4 pot engine. 6 cylinder option for the double decker is a late but welcome edition. I think Go North East are happy with their 6 cylinder Streetdeck
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 30, 2021 18:05:31 GMT
Think it is just the new owners stamping their mark on the business, moving on from the Wright's. The 'liner names sound very Neoplan to me, generally a name associated with quality. Personally I like the rebrand and product range ... just need FCEV and BEV single decks to be added to the range. Where are all you death of Streetlte range sayers now? I guess it simplifies stuff, the GB Hawk name for the Pulsar (SB200) replacement sounds more like a rugby club At least there's 6 cylinder grunt now, so Arriva may be interested if they need to replace single deckers outside London but can't bear the thought of an underpowered 227hp Streetlite 4 pot engine. 6 cylinder option for the double decker is a late but welcome edition. I think Go North East are happy with their 6 cylinder Streetdeck agreed GB Hawk is a curve ball considering the rest. Wonder if that is the project name of the bus and will get renamed into the new family way?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 1, 2021 0:02:36 GMT
Wasn't there once a BMC Hawk? Don't remember it selling that well
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Post by vjaska on Jul 1, 2021 0:12:30 GMT
Wasn't there once a BMC Hawk? Don't remember it selling that well I remember a BMC Falcon IIRC? Scratch that and after a google search, we are both right - not only was there a BMC Hawk but also a BMC Falcon, they must of loved their bird names
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 1, 2021 2:07:37 GMT
Wasn't there once a BMC Hawk? Don't remember it selling that well I remember a BMC Falcon IIRC? Scratch that and after a google search, we are both right - not only was there a BMC Hawk but also a BMC Falcon, they must of loved their bird names Not so attractive BMC Falcon was Turkish body for the VDL SB200 chassis, favoured by CT Plus in Wakefield, just as entertaining as the more attractive Wrightbus Pulsar versions that Arriva bought by the bucketload. I think CT Plus have a handful of them on 59 and 10 plates m.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nUnvmM0Ec&t=349sIf the new Wrightbus Hawk sounds anything like this with the OM936 engine (which seems to be the only option in the brochure) when thrashed, they will be a hit with the likes of Arriva Streetdeck Ultraline finally offered with 6 cylinder engine as well, though I think they are late to the party as people switch to more electrics. Their EV might be promising for London. Would be good if existing Streetdeck buses could be re engined with the bigger engine. I think the 340 Streetdecks got more reliable OM934 engines put in as I saw SW7 miles from home on the 340 yesterday morning near Stanmore
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 1, 2021 5:47:57 GMT
The Sutton tenders might be a good aim for Wrightbus to try and secure an order as up to 91 new buses could be needed if the 213 is retained, A doesn't have any electrics at the moment to match and even AL which does the maintenance doesn't have any City's so a completely new type could be introduced and not break the standardardistion of the City like at some other Go Ahead garages already.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 19:23:58 GMT
The Sutton tenders might be a good aim for Wrightbus to try and secure an order as up to 91 new buses could be needed if the 213 is retained, A doesn't have any electrics at the moment to match and even AL which does the maintenance doesn't have any City's so a completely new type could be introduced and not break the standardardistion of the City like at some other Go Ahead garages already. I think it will be Optare or E400 City is the A/AL routes are retained. Optare because AL do heavy maintenance for A so they could reduce maintenance costs by concentrating batches across both depots. But ADL is an option for the same reason with the increased standardisation. Also by that time there will be a 10.3m version which could be an option there as well. The 213 is up slightly later than the rest of the A routes so we will see what happens, we could also see an option of the A/AL tranche getting electrics with the 213 retained with existing hybrids. Either way given the way that standardisation is racing through operators I think the days of multi-sourced fleets are over.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 1, 2021 19:27:45 GMT
The Sutton tenders might be a good aim for Wrightbus to try and secure an order as up to 91 new buses could be needed if the 213 is retained, A doesn't have any electrics at the moment to match and even AL which does the maintenance doesn't have any City's so a completely new type could be introduced and not break the standardardistion of the City like at some other Go Ahead garages already. I think it will be Optare or E400 City is the A/AL routes are retained. Optare because AL do heavy maintenance for A so they could reduce maintenance costs by concentrating batches across both depots. But ADL is an option for the same reason with the increased standardisation. Also by that time there will be a 10.3m version which could be an option there as well. The 213 is up slightly later than the rest of the A routes so we will see what happens, we could also see an option of the A/AL tranche getting electrics with the 213 retained with existing hybrids. Either way given the way that standardisation is racing through operators I think the days of multi-sourced fleets are over. I agree with all these points, but I might just stop short of saying multi-sourced fleets are over. The points for standardisation are probably what the view the company will take, however the external factor of a potential 2030 deadline will require rapid electric introduction and there's only so many electrics that BYD and ADL can muster together. I wouldn't be surprised to see BYD/ADL remain as a preferred operator, but Wright potentially being second choice and if introduced are kept to specific garages/locations to keep costs of maintenance down.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jul 1, 2021 19:44:54 GMT
The Sutton tenders might be a good aim for Wrightbus to try and secure an order as up to 91 new buses could be needed if the 213 is retained, A doesn't have any electrics at the moment to match and even AL which does the maintenance doesn't have any City's so a completely new type could be introduced and not break the standardardistion of the City like at some other Go Ahead garages already. I think it will be Optare or E400 City is the A/AL routes are retained. Optare because AL do heavy maintenance for A so they could reduce maintenance costs by concentrating batches across both depots. But ADL is an option for the same reason with the increased standardisation. Also by that time there will be a 10.3m version which could be an option there as well. The 213 is up slightly later than the rest of the A routes so we will see what happens, we could also see an option of the A/AL tranche getting electrics with the 213 retained with existing hybrids. Either way given the way that standardisation is racing through operators I think the days of multi-sourced fleets are over. I disagree, if they don't go with Optare, they will probably go for Wrightbus. There are currently only DOE's, WVL's and WHV's at A so probably wouldn't suddenly go ADL.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 1, 2021 19:59:24 GMT
I think it will be Optare or E400 City is the A/AL routes are retained. Optare because AL do heavy maintenance for A so they could reduce maintenance costs by concentrating batches across both depots. But ADL is an option for the same reason with the increased standardisation. Also by that time there will be a 10.3m version which could be an option there as well. The 213 is up slightly later than the rest of the A routes so we will see what happens, we could also see an option of the A/AL tranche getting electrics with the 213 retained with existing hybrids. Either way given the way that standardisation is racing through operators I think the days of multi-sourced fleets are over. I disagree, if they don't go with Optare, they will probably go for Wrightbus. There are currently only DOE's, WVL's and WHV's at A so probably wouldn't suddenly go ADL. This however is a new generation of vehicles of which neither manufacturer's vehicles will have much resemblance or in common with their previous vehicles. It would make sense to standardise this garage on what other garages are getting should transfers ever need to occur.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 20:03:46 GMT
I think it will be Optare or E400 City is the A/AL routes are retained. Optare because AL do heavy maintenance for A so they could reduce maintenance costs by concentrating batches across both depots. But ADL is an option for the same reason with the increased standardisation. Also by that time there will be a 10.3m version which could be an option there as well. The 213 is up slightly later than the rest of the A routes so we will see what happens, we could also see an option of the A/AL tranche getting electrics with the 213 retained with existing hybrids. Either way given the way that standardisation is racing through operators I think the days of multi-sourced fleets are over. I disagree, if they don't go with Optare, they will probably go for Wrightbus. There are currently only DOE's, WVL's and WHV's at A so probably wouldn't suddenly go ADL. But it doesn’t matter what is already at A, the DOE would be gone and the WVL would only have a limited time left on the 213 and like most operators GAL seems to be standardising their fleet as recent times has seen GAL only order ADL for double deckers with the exception of the Metrodeckers but even then it was as a result of the 200 being unable to take 10.9m Ee. I don’t believe GAL would have ordered these if the 10.3m City had been available earlier. Ultimately it is down to the engineer management and the company to decide what they order but I don’t see GAL ordering Wrightbus again, not for double deckers anyway.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 1, 2021 22:30:52 GMT
I think it will be Optare or E400 City is the A/AL routes are retained. Optare because AL do heavy maintenance for A so they could reduce maintenance costs by concentrating batches across both depots. But ADL is an option for the same reason with the increased standardisation. Also by that time there will be a 10.3m version which could be an option there as well. The 213 is up slightly later than the rest of the A routes so we will see what happens, we could also see an option of the A/AL tranche getting electrics with the 213 retained with existing hybrids. Either way given the way that standardisation is racing through operators I think the days of multi-sourced fleets are over. I disagree, if they don't go with Optare, they will probably go for Wrightbus. There are currently only DOE's, WVL's and WHV's at A so probably wouldn't suddenly go ADL. The DOE’s have the exact same chassis as Enviro 400’s so the argument that they won’t go for ADL based on current types doesn’t exactly work. Despite DOE’s & ADL BYD’s being vastly different vehicles, there will still be some common parts - a number of parts on the Dennis Tridents are still used on MMC & City’s for instance.
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Post by bustavane on Jul 1, 2021 23:38:12 GMT
I think it will be Optare or E400 City is the A/AL routes are retained. Optare because AL do heavy maintenance for A so they could reduce maintenance costs by concentrating batches across both depots. But ADL is an option for the same reason with the increased standardisation. Also by that time there will be a 10.3m version which could be an option there as well. The 213 is up slightly later than the rest of the A routes so we will see what happens, we could also see an option of the A/AL tranche getting electrics with the 213 retained with existing hybrids. Either way given the way that standardisation is racing through operators I think the days of multi-sourced fleets are over. I disagree, if they don't go with Optare, they will probably go for Wrightbus. There are currently only DOE's, WVL's and WHV's at A so probably wouldn't suddenly go ADL. [br They also have a couple of E's(187/8)
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Post by snowman on Aug 17, 2021 6:59:09 GMT
Someone (or many operators) have placed orders with Wrightbus, as they are converting 120 temporary jobs to permanent and adding 300 new jobs to increase workforce to 900, Bamford initially only had 56 workers there. From memory at its peak about 6 years ago Wrightbus had about 1700 employees and was making about 20 buses per week www.goqradio.com/northwest/news/q-radio-local-news/wrightbus-to-create-up-to-300-new-jobs/I wonder who the orders are from, that has required this many extra staff.
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