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Post by ServerKing on May 20, 2020 5:26:46 GMT
There just isn't the money... I seriously doubt Central Government will bail Sadiq out for this - especially the way he's making London so unpleasant with the Congestion Charge hike, and yet more roads handed to cyclists. South London services are quite complex, so it's not going to be an easy task like the West Anglia Inners, or TfL Rail to Shenfield. The last time Sadiq wanted to call time on Southern / SouthEastern metro services, it didn't end well. As for the West London Line extension, I can't see the point. Surely you can just change at Clapham Junction as present for any trains elsewhere in SE London? You can just change at Clapham Junction but the through services are very useful an popular so its a shame there's only one an hour. Not sure how much track capacity there is to metroise the South London services, as you point out its very complex and upgrading signalling would cost a fortune. Also as has been pointed out, the WLL is a key freight route so without an upgrade to look to create some freight passing loops or something of the sort its very difficult to see how more trains could be facilitated on the line, there's no other cross London freight route that could be used. Even the North London Line is freight, but Silverlink, then Overground were very lucky that the line had an extra road in sections. I think the West London Line still has that faff a little way south of Willesden of dropping the pantograph and switching to 3rd rail (that part is not in a station IIRC) which may hold things up. I think Khan is just suggesting this to divert away from his bad decisions and disastrous tenure... He'll have to do something outrageous to drum up further funds for such a takeover. We have the biggest slump in bus passenger numbers as even more will find a way to avoid coming into London, terrible road speeds, unappetising bus presentation (bland red, no branding, vague, outdated blinds, and a USB port is hardly luxury)
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Post by route53 on May 20, 2020 9:57:48 GMT
Beyond getting CrossRail finished by 2023(?) I can’t see TfL putting out new schemes any decade soon, what money they do have and will get will be spent on creating new cycle superhighways since cycling is now being encouraged.
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Post by bottomless on May 22, 2020 16:24:54 GMT
Power change is in a station, it is either South Acton or Acton Central, but this usually causes very little delay.
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Post by rif153 on May 22, 2020 21:37:21 GMT
Power change is in a station, it is either South Acton or Acton Central, but this usually causes very little delay. It occurs at Acton Central station and trains arrive a little earlier than advertised on the boards to lower/raise their pantographs - it hardly takes very long.
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Post by route53 on May 24, 2020 10:32:14 GMT
Was discussing with a rail friend of mine last night and I showed him these videos and he pretty much confirmed that this will never happen, not in this decade at least.
TfL is spending what money it has left on building new Cycle Superhighways, there may even be further changes to the bus network too apparently but that seemed unclear, London Overground is focusing on upgrading the ELL & SLL.
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Post by rif153 on May 24, 2020 13:42:44 GMT
Was discussing with a rail friend of mine last night and I showed him these videos and he pretty much confirmed that this will never happen, not in this decade at least. TfL is spending what money it has left on building new Cycle Superhighways, there may even be further changes to the bus network too apparently but that seemed unclear, London Overground is focusing on upgrading the ELL & SLL. I really like Ashley Rabot's youtube channel but from his 2050 tube map video the amount of things complete by then seemed fanciful to me. Other than the Crossrail and the Northern Line extension, I really don't see any major rail infrastructure projects in London taking off in the near future; Met Line extension was binned, Crossrail 2 is very expensive and will take years for a route to even to be finalised and funded even before a shovel is put in the ground, the Bakerloo Line extension is needed but the full project will again be very costly to build and the full thing is probably not feasible yet. The economy is going to take a huge hit so I don't think that there'll be bucket loads of investment any time soon, it may well take a decade to fully recover and pay off the debt of the forthcoming recession.
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Post by greenboy on May 24, 2020 14:03:12 GMT
Was discussing with a rail friend of mine last night and I showed him these videos and he pretty much confirmed that this will never happen, not in this decade at least. TfL is spending what money it has left on building new Cycle Superhighways, there may even be further changes to the bus network too apparently but that seemed unclear, London Overground is focusing on upgrading the ELL & SLL. It was something for the future and certainly won't be happening anytime soon....... in fact I think a legacy of the virus will be a lot more people working from home and less commuting in which case much of it will be difficult to justify.
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Post by route53 on May 24, 2020 17:06:26 GMT
Was discussing with a rail friend of mine last night and I showed him these videos and he pretty much confirmed that this will never happen, not in this decade at least. TfL is spending what money it has left on building new Cycle Superhighways, there may even be further changes to the bus network too apparently but that seemed unclear, London Overground is focusing on upgrading the ELL & SLL. It was something for the future and certainly won't be happening anytime soon....... in fact I think a legacy of the virus will be a lot more people working from home and less commuting in which case much of it will be difficult to justify. Which will alter service patterns. If people aren’t commuting in the same way, then rail services will inevitably change, I can see drops in usage on quieter stations, major interchange stations like Woolwich Arsenal, Greenwich, Blackheath, Lewisham, Denmark Hill, Bromley South, Herne Hill, Beckenham Junction etc may not see much change, I feel that the smaller stations especially ones in zones 2 and 3 will take a major drop in usage. People in Zones 2 and 3 will most likely end up cycling to Central London, maybe even those who live in zone 4 will take up cycling, there may be a case where people may commute out of London too, Covid-19 will definitely alter our lives
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Post by greenboy on May 24, 2020 18:17:33 GMT
It was something for the future and certainly won't be happening anytime soon....... in fact I think a legacy of the virus will be a lot more people working from home and less commuting in which case much of it will be difficult to justify. Which will alter service patterns. If people aren’t commuting in the same way, then rail services will inevitably change, I can see drops in usage on quieter stations, major interchange stations like Woolwich Arsenal, Greenwich, Blackheath, Lewisham, Denmark Hill, Bromley South, Herne Hill, Beckenham Junction etc may not see much change, I feel that the smaller stations especially ones in zones 2 and 3 will take a major drop in usage. People in Zones 2 and 3 will most likely end up cycling to Central London, maybe even those who live in zone 4 will take up cycling, there may be a case where people may commute out of London too, Covid-19 will definitely alter our lives I think there is going to be a sizeable drop in public transport usage everywhere until covid is no more...... even after that I'm not sure we'll get back to pre covid levels of use for some time to come.
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Post by route53 on May 24, 2020 23:16:12 GMT
Was discussing with a rail friend of mine last night and I showed him these videos and he pretty much confirmed that this will never happen, not in this decade at least. TfL is spending what money it has left on building new Cycle Superhighways, there may even be further changes to the bus network too apparently but that seemed unclear, London Overground is focusing on upgrading the ELL & SLL. I really like Ashley Rabot's youtube channel but from his 2050 tube map video the amount of things complete by then seemed fanciful to me. Other than the Crossrail and the Northern Line extension, I really don't see any major rail infrastructure projects in London taking off in the near future; Met Line extension was binned, Crossrail 2 is very expensive and will take years for a route to even to be finalised and funded even before a shovel is put in the ground, the Bakerloo Line extension is needed but the full project will again be very costly to build and the full thing is probably not feasible yet. The economy is going to take a huge hit so I don't think that there'll be bucket loads of investment any time soon, it may well take a decade to fully recover and pay off the debt of the forthcoming recession. My predictions going forward - Bakerloo extension, delayed until the 2040s but at a much lower scale, maybe extended down to Camberwell instead of Lewisham, - CrossRail 2, postponed until maybe 2060 and maybe at a much smaller scale, Wimbledon to Alexandra Palace, via Clapham Jnc, Battersea Riverside, Victoria, Tottenham Court Road, Kings X St Pancras, York Way and Finsbury Park - Changes in rail services patterns, means more fast and semi fast services ie fast Woolwich line services again - Changes in buses too, more buses to serve the West End and City as much as possible - Cycle Superhighways extended to outer zones, also TfL Cycle hire docking stations extended to South & South East London - Increase in river services
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Post by vjaska on May 25, 2020 2:42:44 GMT
I really like Ashley Rabot's youtube channel but from his 2050 tube map video the amount of things complete by then seemed fanciful to me. Other than the Crossrail and the Northern Line extension, I really don't see any major rail infrastructure projects in London taking off in the near future; Met Line extension was binned, Crossrail 2 is very expensive and will take years for a route to even to be finalised and funded even before a shovel is put in the ground, the Bakerloo Line extension is needed but the full project will again be very costly to build and the full thing is probably not feasible yet. The economy is going to take a huge hit so I don't think that there'll be bucket loads of investment any time soon, it may well take a decade to fully recover and pay off the debt of the forthcoming recession. My predictions going forward - Bakerloo extension, delayed until the 2040s but at a much lower scale, maybe extended down to Camberwell instead of Lewisham, - CrossRail 2, postponed until maybe 2060 and maybe at a much smaller scale, Wimbledon to Alexandra Palace, via Clapham Jnc, Battersea Riverside, Victoria, Tottenham Court Road, Kings X St Pancras, York Way and Finsbury Park - Changes in rail services patterns, means more fast and semi fast services ie fast Woolwich line services again - Changes in buses too, more buses to serve the West End and City as much as possible - Cycle Superhighways extended to outer zones, also TfL Cycle hire docking stations extended to South & South East London - Increase in river services Personally, I see nothing bar cycle provision in that list happening at all - buses are at the back of queue even before the pandemic so will likely be left to rot. A small point but cycle docking stations have already made it to South London at Brixton & I believe in Stockwell as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 11:14:00 GMT
I really like Ashley Rabot's youtube channel but from his 2050 tube map video the amount of things complete by then seemed fanciful to me. Other than the Crossrail and the Northern Line extension, I really don't see any major rail infrastructure projects in London taking off in the near future; Met Line extension was binned, Crossrail 2 is very expensive and will take years for a route to even to be finalised and funded even before a shovel is put in the ground, the Bakerloo Line extension is needed but the full project will again be very costly to build and the full thing is probably not feasible yet. The economy is going to take a huge hit so I don't think that there'll be bucket loads of investment any time soon, it may well take a decade to fully recover and pay off the debt of the forthcoming recession. My predictions going forward - Bakerloo extension, delayed until the 2040s but at a much lower scale, maybe extended down to Camberwell instead of Lewisham, - CrossRail 2, postponed until maybe 2060 and maybe at a much smaller scale, Wimbledon to Alexandra Palace, via Clapham Jnc, Battersea Riverside, Victoria, Tottenham Court Road, Kings X St Pancras, York Way and Finsbury Park - Changes in rail services patterns, means more fast and semi fast services ie fast Woolwich line services again - Changes in buses too, more buses to serve the West End and City as much as possible - Cycle Superhighways extended to outer zones, also TfL Cycle hire docking stations extended to South & South East London - Increase in river services I’m opposed to Crossrail 2 for personal reasons but I can still it going ahead in full as well as the Bakerloo Line extension. It would be right to invest now as they can be value for money projects spread over many years. In fact now might be a good time to invest in long term infrastructure projects like rail and roads so when/if that demand returns there are already projects underway to solve the capacity problems and I know demand could never return but i think it will eventually. It’s a balancing act but could help to put many people likely to be affected by job losses back into work.
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Post by SILENCED on May 25, 2020 11:19:16 GMT
My predictions going forward - Bakerloo extension, delayed until the 2040s but at a much lower scale, maybe extended down to Camberwell instead of Lewisham, - CrossRail 2, postponed until maybe 2060 and maybe at a much smaller scale, Wimbledon to Alexandra Palace, via Clapham Jnc, Battersea Riverside, Victoria, Tottenham Court Road, Kings X St Pancras, York Way and Finsbury Park - Changes in rail services patterns, means more fast and semi fast services ie fast Woolwich line services again - Changes in buses too, more buses to serve the West End and City as much as possible - Cycle Superhighways extended to outer zones, also TfL Cycle hire docking stations extended to South & South East London - Increase in river services I’m opposed to Crossrail 2 for personal reasons but I can still it going ahead in full as well as the Bakerloo Line extension. It would be right to invest now as they can be value for money projects spread over many years. In fact now might be a good time to invest in long term infrastructure projects like rail and roads so when/if that demand returns there are already projects underway to solve the capacity problems and I know demand could never return but i think it will eventually. It’s a balancing act but could help to put many people likely to be affected by job losses back into work. If TfL have no cash and are up to their maximum allowed lending limits, what do you propose they invest with? I personally can not see in the short term central government giving further money to TfL to fund these.
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Post by route53 on May 25, 2020 12:35:31 GMT
My predictions going forward - Bakerloo extension, delayed until the 2040s but at a much lower scale, maybe extended down to Camberwell instead of Lewisham, - CrossRail 2, postponed until maybe 2060 and maybe at a much smaller scale, Wimbledon to Alexandra Palace, via Clapham Jnc, Battersea Riverside, Victoria, Tottenham Court Road, Kings X St Pancras, York Way and Finsbury Park - Changes in rail services patterns, means more fast and semi fast services ie fast Woolwich line services again - Changes in buses too, more buses to serve the West End and City as much as possible - Cycle Superhighways extended to outer zones, also TfL Cycle hire docking stations extended to South & South East London - Increase in river services I’m opposed to Crossrail 2 for personal reasons but I can still it going ahead in full as well as the Bakerloo Line extension. It would be right to invest now as they can be value for money projects spread over many years. In fact now might be a good time to invest in long term infrastructure projects like rail and roads so when/if that demand returns there are already projects underway to solve the capacity problems and I know demand could never return but i think it will eventually. It’s a balancing act but could help to put many people likely to be affected by job losses back into work. CrossRail 2 will be delayed for decades, there maybe a smaller scale Bakerloo extension but even I’m having doubts about that happening, at best we may get upgrades to existing lines, ie 6 cars on the SLL/ELL But that’s about it
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Post by rif153 on May 25, 2020 16:12:39 GMT
I really like Ashley Rabot's youtube channel but from his 2050 tube map video the amount of things complete by then seemed fanciful to me. Other than the Crossrail and the Northern Line extension, I really don't see any major rail infrastructure projects in London taking off in the near future; Met Line extension was binned, Crossrail 2 is very expensive and will take years for a route to even to be finalised and funded even before a shovel is put in the ground, the Bakerloo Line extension is needed but the full project will again be very costly to build and the full thing is probably not feasible yet. The economy is going to take a huge hit so I don't think that there'll be bucket loads of investment any time soon, it may well take a decade to fully recover and pay off the debt of the forthcoming recession. My predictions going forward - Bakerloo extension, delayed until the 2040s but at a much lower scale, maybe extended down to Camberwell instead of Lewisham, - CrossRail 2, postponed until maybe 2060 and maybe at a much smaller scale, Wimbledon to Alexandra Palace, via Clapham Jnc, Battersea Riverside, Victoria, Tottenham Court Road, Kings X St Pancras, York Way and Finsbury Park - Changes in rail services patterns, means more fast and semi fast services ie fast Woolwich line services again - Changes in buses too, more buses to serve the West End and City as much as possible - Cycle Superhighways extended to outer zones, also TfL Cycle hire docking stations extended to South & South East London - Increase in river services TFL will have to seriously think of the infrastrucutre projects planned which ones to prioritise as there won't be money for all the planned projects, the only thing that might get it off the ground would be private money. Neither Crossrail 2 nor the Bakerloo Line extension is likely to happen but they may have to decide which is needed more badly. For what its worth I actually think that for a lower cost than some other infrastructure projects, extending the tramlink to Sutton would be a good idea as light rail is cheaper than heavy rail and the scheme would do wonders for local transport in the area but sadly that's still at the planning phase with no route finalised. I think we'll see lots more investment in cycling going forward with the hope of a greener future post Covid. There may well be a lot more investment in segregated cycle lanes and I think that cycling in Outer London should be encouraged more too. Raising awareness that river services exist wouldn't be a bad move on TFL's part as they largely function as tourist boats rather than for people to commute when I don't believe they are particularly busy during the peaks.
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