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Post by Busboy105 on Jul 20, 2021 21:23:44 GMT
What's the difference between a Bus stop and a Request stop in London? I searched this up on a website about a year ago and on the website it says that a bus will always stop at a Bus Stop but with Request Stops its only if a passenger requests for the bus to stop so they can board it. So by that logic aren't Bus stops Request stops too as people still do a motion for a bus to stop at a Bus Stop for the bus to stop
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Post by VMH2537 on Jul 20, 2021 22:04:12 GMT
What's the difference between a Bus stop and a Request stop in London? I searched this up on a website about a year ago and on the website it says that a bus will always stop at a Bus Stop but with Request Stops its only if a passenger requests for the bus to stop so they can board it. So by that logic aren't Bus stops Request stops too as people still do a motion for a bus to stop at a Bus Stop for the bus to stop In most cases bus stops now are request stops than how it was back 15 years ago. They were holding up journeys aswell increasing the bus route running time when bus stops were non request - hence why bus stops are now just "bus stop"
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 20, 2021 22:10:53 GMT
Historically buses were required to always stop at bus stops (a.k.a. compulsory stops) back when pretty much every bus was crew-operated, with the conductor then having to give the starting signal on the bells for it to continue. With more and more buses becoming OPO and traffic increasing over the years this practice gradually fell away and eventually - I believe sometime in the late 2000s but I'm open to correction on that - request stops, with their red flags, were abolished with all to use the white "bus stop" version going forward, but all stops were to be officially treated in the way request stops were. Request stop flags have only been removed when replacements have been necessary and so there are still many in place across London but their meaning is the same these days.
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Post by rugbyref on Jul 21, 2021 7:14:11 GMT
The only problem is that this change was never communicated properly to the travelling public, so anyone of a certain age still thinks there is a difference.
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Post by snowman on Jul 21, 2021 7:49:59 GMT
It used to be main stops were compulsory, and the bus stop flags were different (red or white).
Confusingly from memory some compulsory stops had tiles which said something like night buses stop on request (so were part time bit of each)
TfL then decided to get rid of request stops about 15 years ago (but kept bells on buses and notices which said ring bell for next stop), so kept request to alight, which tended to result in most people assuming need to request to board as well.
.....Then of course have hail and ride sections which are still request
So yes, never really became 100% compulsory stop
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Post by redexpress on Jul 21, 2021 8:07:53 GMT
Confusingly from memory some compulsory stops had tiles which said something like night buses stop on request (so were part time bit of each) I seem to remember that night buses officially treated all stops as request stops anyway. I think those tiles may have been used at stops where there were too many night routes to fit individual tiles for each route (particularly in the West End on approaches to Trafalgar Square).
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Post by martynl on Jul 22, 2021 16:06:52 GMT
I find that if I don't ring the bell before a compulsory stop the driver doesn't often open the doors, even if I'm standing next to them and it's obvious I want to get off. It's only when I give a little wave or actually ring the bell do the doors open!
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Post by Dillon95 on Jul 28, 2021 1:32:39 GMT
I stick my hand out to get on and ring the bell to get off at any bus stop. I’ve had it where if I don’t, they just go past.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 29, 2021 6:11:21 GMT
The stop flags are vitreous enamel and request stops required cadmium in the red. The main part was screen printed.
The shape required the edges to be sprayed and the use of cadmium for this is now banned.
Some sample red flags were produced with white borders but the decision was then taken to only use white flags.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 9:49:43 GMT
I stick my hand out to get on and ring the bell to get off at any bus stop. I’ve had it where if I don’t, they just go past. What about when there's only 1 bus route that serves a stop. Wouldn't it be obvious to the driver that you'd want to get on that bus without sticking out your hand?
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Post by greenboy on Jul 29, 2021 9:57:45 GMT
I stick my hand out to get on and ring the bell to get off at any bus stop. I’ve had it where if I don’t, they just go past. What about when there's only 1 bus route that serves a stop. Wouldn't it be obvious to the driver that you'd want to get on that bus without sticking out your hand? Drivers are supposed to stop whether someone puts their hand out or not, a modern day problem is people looking at their mobile phone and not noticing the bus approaching.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 29, 2021 10:23:06 GMT
I stick my hand out to get on and ring the bell to get off at any bus stop. I’ve had it where if I don’t, they just go past. What about when there's only 1 bus route that serves a stop. Wouldn't it be obvious to the driver that you'd want to get on that bus without sticking out your hand? Indeed however some people sit at bus stops, but are not waiting for the bus. I’ve had people expect me to stop when they don’t ring the bell. Must think I’m a mind reader… not my problem.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 29, 2021 10:27:09 GMT
What about when there's only 1 bus route that serves a stop. Wouldn't it be obvious to the driver that you'd want to get on that bus without sticking out your hand? Drivers are supposed to stop whether someone puts their hand out or not, a modern day problem is people looking at their mobile phone and not noticing the bus approaching. I usually toot the horn or flash the headlights. The ones that annoy me are the ones who say you meant to stop at every stop, but will then complain when you stop for no reason. Yes stop for there stop only when they don’t ring the bell or put there hand out. Quite honestly I have to say a new way to signal that you want the bus is to PUT ON A MASK
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 10:41:10 GMT
What about when there's only 1 bus route that serves a stop. Wouldn't it be obvious to the driver that you'd want to get on that bus without sticking out your hand? Indeed however some people sit at bus stops, but are not waiting for the bus. I’ve had people expect me to stop when they don’t ring the bell. Must think I’m a mind reader… not my problem. I think if people sit at bus stops where there's only 1 bus route, the driver should ask the people if they're getting on the bus. But it would probably be quite irritating if they had to do this frequently. As for people who don't ring the bell, they're not making it clear that they want to get off the bus. What also strikes me is that at some bus stops people seem to use the stop bell for the fun of it, when one person presses it others feel they have to join in and press it, despite it already being pressed. Once is enough per stop, and I don't get why people do this when the iBus says 'bus stopping'
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Post by someone on Jul 29, 2021 11:09:22 GMT
In most cases bus stops now are request stops than how it was back 15 years ago. They were holding up journeys aswell increasing the bus route running time when bus stops were non request - hence why bus stops are now just "bus stop" Yeah. I think they were referred to as request stops between 1994 and 2000, and then they switched back to the bus stop name in 2000, with a change in roundel signage resembling the classic 1972-1994 roundel happening in 2014. Also, why do some stops have metal discs to show the bus stop markings and others have plastic... cylinders, I guess?
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