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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 11, 2021 21:48:46 GMT
It sounds like a good idea if it was to use the Ongar branch, but sure this is not the intention, so imo could never see this happening and especially not now as TfL are in the red.Harlow's addition to London Underground proposed by councilA campaign to extend the London Underground further into Essex is being proposed by planners.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58172373
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Post by richard on Aug 11, 2021 22:16:34 GMT
It sounds like a good idea if it was to use the Ongar branch, but sure this is not the intention, so imo could never see this happening and especially not now as TfL are in the red.Harlow's addition to London Underground proposed by councilA campaign to extend the London Underground further into Essex is being proposed by planners.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58172373 Where will the money come from? I can't see this happening if I am honest
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Post by vjaska on Aug 11, 2021 22:21:06 GMT
It sounds like a good idea if it was to use the Ongar branch, but sure this is not the intention, so imo could never see this happening and especially not now as TfL are in the red.Harlow's addition to London Underground proposed by councilA campaign to extend the London Underground further into Essex is being proposed by planners.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58172373 Not sure it sounds good - Harlow is already well linked to London via Greater Anglia which gives quicker journey times into London. It sounds like spending money that doesn’t exist for the sake of it
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 11, 2021 23:36:48 GMT
It sounds like a good idea if it was to use the Ongar branch, but sure this is not the intention, so imo could never see this happening and especially not now as TfL are in the red.Harlow's addition to London Underground proposed by councilA campaign to extend the London Underground further into Essex is being proposed by planners.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58172373 Not sure it sounds good - Harlow is already well linked to London via Greater Anglia which gives quicker journey times into London. It sounds like spending money that doesn’t exist for the sake of it What they really need to focus on is putting the funding towards the Bakerloo line. That line needs to get extended to give more underground stations south of the river.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2021 1:40:22 GMT
Not sure it sounds good - Harlow is already well linked to London via Greater Anglia which gives quicker journey times into London. It sounds like spending money that doesn’t exist for the sake of it What they really need to focus on is putting the funding towards the Bakerloo line. That line needs to get extended to give more underground stations south of the river. Exactly, it would bring much more benefit to more people, just a shame a spur via Camberwell, Peckham & Nunhead wasn't included.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 12, 2021 8:05:15 GMT
It sounds like a good idea if it was to use the Ongar branch, but sure this is not the intention, so imo could never see this happening and especially not now as TfL are in the red.Harlow's addition to London Underground proposed by councilA campaign to extend the London Underground further into Essex is being proposed by planners.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58172373 This does raise the question though of providing rail capacity if Harlow's population could potentially increase by 50%. A Central Line extension could just about justify itself as the current National Rail stations in Harlow are poorly situated and there could be additional stations in Harlow's south-eastern suburbs, improving accessibility. Also people from Harlow do catch buses or drive to Epping already. If a full-scale Central Line extension is not justified, how about a dedicated busway linking direct to Epping Station?
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 12, 2021 10:14:18 GMT
It sounds like a good idea if it was to use the Ongar branch, but sure this is not the intention, so imo could never see this happening and especially not now as TfL are in the red.Harlow's addition to London Underground proposed by councilA campaign to extend the London Underground further into Essex is being proposed by planners.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58172373 Not sure it sounds good - Harlow is already well linked to London via Greater Anglia which gives quicker journey times into London. It sounds like spending money that doesn’t exist for the sake of it The idea could be linked to the West Anglia Main line, limited frequency and one of the least reliable lines in London
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 19:52:55 GMT
It sounds like a good idea if it was to use the Ongar branch, but sure this is not the intention, so imo could never see this happening and especially not now as TfL are in the red.Harlow's addition to London Underground proposed by councilA campaign to extend the London Underground further into Essex is being proposed by planners.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58172373 Harlow's not that near London, so Tfl should focus on infrastructure within London.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 17, 2021 11:55:42 GMT
There's more on the proposal on the ianVisits blog. www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2021/08/16/harlow-council-lobbying-for-a-london-underground-extension/A Central Line extension is just one of a number of ideas being floated around to improve transport links, given the town is proposing to add up to 19,000 new homes in the next decade. The blog observes that there would have to be a significantly larger development to the South of Harlow than the presently-proposed Latton Priory, to attract the developer contributions that would be needed to pay for the extension. The blog also notes that there is already an existing bus upgrade project, which would see two dedicated busways (one north-south, one east-west) which would tie in the town centre and Harlow town rail station to new developments and existing housing estates on all sides of the town. It would not be too difficult - physically or financially - to run the southern leg all the way down to Epping Station. Other proposals are: Extend the London Travelcard zones from Cheshunt to include Harlow Extend Crossrail 2 (when construction eventually starts) to Harlow Four-track the main line from Harlow Town to Liverpool Street
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 17, 2021 12:09:22 GMT
It sounds like a good idea if it was to use the Ongar branch, but sure this is not the intention, so imo could never see this happening and especially not now as TfL are in the red.Harlow's addition to London Underground proposed by councilA campaign to extend the London Underground further into Essex is being proposed by planners.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58172373 Harlow's not that near London, so Tfl should focus on infrastructure within London. I agree, but I feel even Ongar now deserves to have the Central line back, the area has got busy over the past few years with new housing etc. People now travel from there to Brentwood to get TfL rail or Epping to get the Central line. Maybe the line would have made more sense to extend it years ago from either Ongar to Brentwood or Ongar to Chelmsford.
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Post by jrussa on Aug 17, 2021 12:14:04 GMT
Before even considering any central line extension, the main priorities for the line should be: 1. Running more Epping Services than Hainault (This has been ongoing for well over a decade) 2. Refurbishment of the fleet 3. Ensuring new drivers are trained who have been waiting for a year due to the pandemic
P.S - I am against this proposal. Once South London receive improved train links, places such as Dagenham Heathway and even Newbury Park area receive a night bus (just examples) or once places in LONDON receive adequate bus services, maybe Harlow can have a SLIM chance of proposing an idea for the central line to extend there.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 17, 2021 12:20:06 GMT
Before even considering any central line extension, the main priorities for the line should be: 1. Running more Epping Services than Hainault (This has been ongoing for well over a decade) 2. Refurbishment of the fleet 3. Ensuring new drivers are trained who have been waiting for a year due to the pandemic The split between Hainault and Epping is still fairly even. The fleet is being refurbished hopefully soon. Unfortunately whislt it is, there will be less available trains hence some small reductions to free them up to go for refurb. Not sure if the original plans will be given another go for the Hainalt shuttle to use 1 train split in 2 to allow the other to be sent away.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 12:23:14 GMT
There's more on the proposal on the ianVisits blog. www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2021/08/16/harlow-council-lobbying-for-a-london-underground-extension/A Central Line extension is just one of a number of ideas being floated around to improve transport links, given the town is proposing to add up to 19,000 new homes in the next decade. The blog observes that there would have to be a significantly larger development to the South of Harlow than the presently-proposed Latton Priory, to attract the developer contributions that would be needed to pay for the extension. The blog also notes that there is already an existing bus upgrade project, which would see two dedicated busways (one north-south, one east-west) which would tie in the town centre and Harlow town rail station to new developments and existing housing estates on all sides of the town. It would not be too difficult - physically or financially - to run the southern leg all the way down to Epping Station. Other proposals are: Extend the London Travelcard zones from Cheshunt to include Harlow Extend Crossrail 2 (when construction eventually starts) to Harlow Four-track the main line from Harlow Town to Liverpool Street I think extending the London Travelcard zones to Harlow would be quite beneficial, I'd quite like to see this expanded further away from London across the home counties.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 12:25:07 GMT
Before even considering any central line extension, the main priorities for the line should be: 1. Running more Epping Services than Hainault (This has been ongoing for well over a decade) 2. Refurbishment of the fleet 3. Ensuring new drivers are trained who have been waiting for a year due to the pandemic P.S - I am against this proposal. Once South London receive improved train links, places such as Dagenham Heathway and even Newbury Park area receive a night bus (just examples) or once places in LONDON receive adequate bus services, maybe Harlow can have a SLIM chance of proposing an idea for the central line to extend there. I agree I think south London should have better train links. I know that Tfl's financial status is poor at the moment but they should prioritise stuff like the Bakerloo line extension rather than an extension of the central line to Harlow
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 17, 2021 12:29:34 GMT
Before even considering any central line extension, the main priorities for the line should be: 1. Running more Epping Services than Hainault (This has been ongoing for well over a decade) 2. Refurbishment of the fleet 3. Ensuring new drivers are trained who have been waiting for a year due to the pandemic P.S - I am against this proposal. Once South London receive improved train links, places such as Dagenham Heathway and even Newbury Park area receive a night bus (just examples) or once places in LONDON receive adequate bus services, maybe Harlow can have a SLIM chance of proposing an idea for the central line to extend there. I agree I think south London should have better train links. I know that Tfl's financial status is poor at the moment but they should prioritise stuff like the Bakerloo line extension rather than an extension of the central line to Harlow TfL has already made it clear that there is no TfL funding available for any extension of the Central Line to Harlow.
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