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Post by vjaska on May 17, 2022 14:01:41 GMT
I’ve heard that the LB-Sydenham-Clapham-Victoria service is being withdrawn? If so this is a shame, I remember living in Sydenham years ago and using this service regularly to see my mates over in SW London, or nights out in Balham or Clapham it was the nearest South London had to having a service similar to the North London Line, although circuitous, it was a highly useful service which avoided zone one apart from Victoria and London Bridge, other than the ELL from Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction and the Victoria to Dartford via Bexleyheath service there aren’t any more direct cross South London rail services. It makes travelling around this neck of the woods very hard, my Hampstead mates have no qualms about going on a night out or to see friends in Camden or Islington, yet now the thought of going to Balham from Blackheath sends shivers down my spine! It is a useful service for orbital journeys across South London although the same journeys can still be made with a change of train at Crystal Palace. Hopefully a half hourly service will be restored on the Beckenham Junction to London Bridge service. Balham to Blackheath via New Cross/Gate or Clapham Junction and Denmark Hill although probably quicker Northern Line to London Bridge and Southeastern from there, not ideal though. Southern's website says the London Bridge to Beckenham Junction service is half hourly during busy times Beckenham Junction / Crystal Palace to London Bridge via Tulse Hill
Services will be reintroduced to provide two trains per hour at busy times, with an hourly service at other times.
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Post by Dillon95 on May 17, 2022 21:07:35 GMT
It is a useful service for orbital journeys across South London although the same journeys can still be made with a change of train at Crystal Palace. Hopefully a half hourly service will be restored on the Beckenham Junction to London Bridge service. Balham to Blackheath via New Cross/Gate or Clapham Junction and Denmark Hill although probably quicker Northern Line to London Bridge and Southeastern from there, not ideal though. Southern's website says the London Bridge to Beckenham Junction service is half hourly during busy times Beckenham Junction / Crystal Palace to London Bridge via Tulse Hill
Services will be reintroduced to provide two trains per hour at busy times, with an hourly service at other times.That’s pitiful. You’d think it’s a rural service.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 19, 2022 23:41:09 GMT
I used to use that service to either go to Balham or to Clapham Junction for SWR services which made trips to Wimbledon or Richmond much more faster than going via Zone 1.
Getting to Clapham Junction now either involves getting the 176 or 185 to Denmark Hill and then the Overground or a train to East Croydon and then back up to Clapham Jnc.
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Post by route53 on May 20, 2022 7:37:26 GMT
I used to use that service to either go to Balham or to Clapham Junction for SWR services which made trips to Wimbledon or Richmond much more faster than going via Zone 1. Getting to Clapham Junction now either involves getting the 176 or 185 to Denmark Hill and then the Overground or a train to East Croydon and then back up to Clapham Jnc. As greenboy said, we can still change at Crystal Palace but that line is half hour, but at least that’s something. More has to be done to better connect South London suburbs
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Post by COBO on Jun 1, 2022 15:54:57 GMT
Somehow creating a cross rail running between Brighton and Birmingham by linking Euston and Victoria Station through tunnels.
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Post by kmkcheng on Jun 1, 2022 16:04:20 GMT
Somehow creating a cross rail running between Brighton and Birmingham by linking Euston and Victoria Station through tunnels. It probably more likely to link them via the West London Line. Maybe once HS2 is complete, it could free up some paths on the WCML for such a service. The real issue to solve for such a service is how to get it on the fast lines without the existing conflicting moves south of Clapham Junction
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 5, 2022 17:40:17 GMT
Somehow creating a cross rail running between Brighton and Birmingham by linking Euston and Victoria Station through tunnels. Developing this idea - I have thought that if a business case could be made for it, a tunnel could be constructed from the Quarry Line south of Coulsdon, to run in a straight line towards Central London. This would speed up journeys from the South Coast and Gatwick Airport and relieve congestion in the London area, freeing capacity for more local services. Of course, such a tunnel need not be constrained by having to terminate at Victoria or London Bridge - it could run to a new underground terminal located between Euston and St Pancras, linking into both HS1 and HS2.
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Post by Dillon95 on Jun 6, 2022 8:06:18 GMT
Somehow creating a cross rail running between Brighton and Birmingham by linking Euston and Victoria Station through tunnels. It probably more likely to link them via the West London Line. Maybe once HS2 is complete, it could free up some paths on the WCML for such a service. The real issue to solve for such a service is how to get it on the fast lines without the existing conflicting moves south of Clapham Junction Can’t they just bring back the East Croydon to Milton Keynes service, and extend it to Brighton and Birmingham?
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Post by route53 on Jul 5, 2022 9:04:54 GMT
In light of the Elizabeth line at Abbey Wood there definitely needs to be more than just 2tph from Gravesend to Abbey Wood
1: Luton to Dartford (cut back from Rainham) 2tph, will now include stops at Woolwich Dockyard, Belvedere & Erith.
2: Cannon Street to Gravesend via Greenwich & Woolwich Arsenal, 2tph, no more Bexleyheath rounders (extended to Maidstone West in the peaks)
3: Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Greenwich, Woolwich Arsenal & Sidcup, 2tph
4: Charing Cross to Gillingham (& Maidstone West in the peaks) via Blackheath & Woolwich Arsenal
This gives Gravesend 4tph and Dartford 6tph to Abbey Wood for the Elizabeth line, a Thameslink service a more manageable service from Dartford as a proper metro with stops at Woolwich Dockyard, Belvedere and Erith, still at 6tph at those stations, restores the fast service from Medway to this corridor and a faster connection to the Elizabeth line, only Plumstead and Slade Green lose out on 2tph but they can cope with 6tph, especially with the Elizabeth line on their doorstep, and this is about widening the Elizabeth line connections further afield, hence the peaks to and from Maidstone West.
The fact that there isn’t such a change is short sighted but it could be that South Eastern are waiting for the rest of the line to be opened up before making any changes.
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Post by lg on Jul 6, 2022 20:09:08 GMT
It probably more likely to link them via the West London Line. Maybe once HS2 is complete, it could free up some paths on the WCML for such a service. The real issue to solve for such a service is how to get it on the fast lines without the existing conflicting moves south of Clapham Junction Can’t they just bring back the East Croydon to Milton Keynes service, and extend it to Brighton and Birmingham? Wasn't it always the plan to run from Brighton to Birmingham. I know it was Brighton to Rugby at one stage but I don't think there were ever the slots to make it to Birmingham
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Post by COBO on Nov 15, 2022 5:01:44 GMT
Extend the GWR trains on the Greenford branch to South Ruislip via the Northolt to Acton line.
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 15, 2022 9:52:46 GMT
Extend the GWR trains on the Greenford branch to South Ruislip via the Northolt to Acton line. I doubt that would generate enough income to cover the increased running costs, especially as such an extension would merely duplicate an existing service. Currently the shuttle is operated very economically using a single unit shuttling back and forth. To extend the service you would be looking at doubling the operating cost. You would also need to rebuild and restore a former platform and subway link at Greenford as trains would no longer be able to use the bay platform between the Central Line platforms. The current platform is fully accessible due to the incline lift (which gives accessibility to all three platforms), which is another factor that would need to be taken into consideration. The West Ealing - Greenford shuttle is being prepared for experimental battery electric operation, with fast opportunity charging at the terminals during turnrounds.
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 15, 2022 10:48:40 GMT
An excursion into nearby Europe for this one!
New through service from Calais-Fréthun (FR) to Gent (BE) via Calais-Ville, Dunkerque (FR) and De Panne (BE). It would involve reinstating a short stretch of line across the Franco-Belgian border between Dunkerque and De Panne which is currently disused, but the formation (AFAIK) is unobstructed. Trains would have trilingual announcements and notices in French, Dutch and English.
If a through joint SNCF and NMBS/SNCB operation was too problematic, the existing Calais-Dunkerque service could be extended the short distance over the border to De Panne.
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Post by COBO on Jan 21, 2023 10:33:15 GMT
Have a branch a London Overground service running between South Ruislip to Euston via Northolt to Acton and then HS2 to Euston stopping at Northolt, Greenford, Perivale, Hanger Lane and North Acton. To relief the Greenford branch of Central Line and to that side of London with Euston.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 21, 2023 16:08:56 GMT
An excursion into nearby Europe for this one! New through service from Calais-Fréthun (FR) to Gent (BE) via Calais-Ville, Dunkerque (FR) and De Panne (BE). It would involve reinstating a short stretch of line across the Franco-Belgian border between Dunkerque and De Panne which is currently disused, but the formation (AFAIK) is unobstructed. Trains would have trilingual announcements and notices in French, Dutch and English. If a through joint SNCF and NMBS/SNCB operation was too problematic, the existing Calais-Dunkerque service could be extended the short distance over the border to De Panne. I know this is way old but strictly speaking the language would be Flemish. Even though Dutch and Flemish are the same language, every Belgian I’ve ever met from the region insists on calling it Flemish.
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