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Post by cc2005 on Feb 10, 2022 8:42:25 GMT
Following on from the "How many routes still with original operator?" thread, I thought about which routes have kept their original termini for longest?, i.e. not changed their start and end points.
Changes in routing or roads along the way wouldn't count, just the start and end of the routes.. I suppose minor changes, such as terminating down the road or round the corner would count as the "same".
One springs to mind: The E3: Chiswick to Greenford, same start and end of route since 1968.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 10, 2022 8:55:58 GMT
As we famously know the 24 is the longest unchanged route since 1912.
Bar garage journeys the 93 has been unchanged since 1970 from Putney Bridge to North Cheam.
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 10, 2022 9:06:16 GMT
The 258 has operated between Watford Junction and South Harrow Station since April 1978. The route has changed though, as it originally operated via Bessborough Road but was rerouted via Harrow-on-the-Hill in November 1987 as part of the Harrow Buses changes.
Also interesting to note that in April 1978 the route had a M-F PVR of just 4 single-deck, and now has a PVR of 11 double-deck. It just goes to show how bus use has mushroomed in the outer suburbs.
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Post by rift on Feb 10, 2022 20:16:09 GMT
I’m sure the 99 has been operating the original Woolwich to Erith for 100+ years, only being extendes to Bexleyheath in 2009.
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Post by aaron1 on Feb 10, 2022 21:00:17 GMT
240 have always been Golders green to Edgware there was a 240A but don't that was an extended one
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 10, 2022 21:09:23 GMT
I’m sure the 99 has been operating the original Woolwich to Erith for 100+ years, only being extendes to Bexleyheath in 2009. I believe you are right : the Woolwich to Erith part of the 99 has existed since before World War I. The 99 has had various extensions beyond Erith as well as the current one : in the 80s it has run on to Slade Green via the current route, and has had Sunday extensions to Bexleyheath Garage via the current 229 at a similar time. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 10, 2022 23:49:13 GMT
Ignoring any post 1990 routes, all in my local area have had at least one terminus change in it's lifetime. The 250 was probably the longest without a change with only it's stand within Croydon changing from Katherine Street to Fairfield Halls but otherwise essentially terminating in the same localised area until it's cutback to West Croydon
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 12, 2022 7:41:53 GMT
Ignoring any post 1990 routes, all in my local area have had at least one terminus change in it's lifetime. The 250 was probably the longest without a change with only it's stand within Croydon changing from Katherine Street to Fairfield Halls but otherwise essentially terminating in the same localised area until it's cutback to West Croydon Admittedly route 250 was only introduced in 1988 so is still one of the newer routes in the area. |
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Post by aaron1 on Feb 12, 2022 8:33:39 GMT
332 have been the same since it started in 2007 but that could change if tfl are going to rerouted via Maida Hill and extended to Lancaster Gate
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 12, 2022 9:36:13 GMT
Ignoring any post 1990 routes, all in my local area have had at least one terminus change in it's lifetime. The 250 was probably the longest without a change with only it's stand within Croydon changing from Katherine Street to Fairfield Halls but otherwise essentially terminating in the same localised area until it's cutback to West Croydon Would you consider the P4 to be a local? That’s been the same two terminals since 1983 when it was extended to Lewisham. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 12, 2022 22:55:58 GMT
Ignoring any post 1990 routes, all in my local area have had at least one terminus change in it's lifetime. The 250 was probably the longest without a change with only it's stand within Croydon changing from Katherine Street to Fairfield Halls but otherwise essentially terminating in the same localised area until it's cutback to West Croydon Would you consider the P4 to be a local? That’s been the same two terminals since 1983 when it was extended to Lewisham. I consider the P4 very much local but it has changed one of it's terminus in it's lifetime though I totally understand where your coming from in that it's stayed a Brixton to Lewisham route since 1983  I was trying to come from a route that had stayed the same throughout it's entire history, ignoring anything post 1990 and the 250 was the closest one before the recent cutback to West Croydon happened |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Feb 15, 2022 23:43:56 GMT
Route 185 has stayed the same since 1987 when it was lost the peak hours extension to Greenwich, but the core route is the same as it was when it launched in 1951.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 16, 2022 1:50:35 GMT
Whilst the 157 did start as a Morden to Wallington route before then becoming a Raynes Park to Crystal Palace route, most journeys were done in overlapping sections as a Raynes Park to West Croydon (later to Carshalton, Wrythe Green) - guess what the other section was? Morden to Crystal Palace since 1959. 1988 saw it fully become a Morden to Crystal Palace route
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Post by greenboy on Feb 16, 2022 7:53:35 GMT
Route 185 has stayed the same since 1987 when it was lost the peak hours extension to Greenwich, but the core route is the same as it was when it launched in 1951. I'm being a bit pedantic but I remember a time when the 185 couldn't turn right at Camberwell Green and had to turn left and go round the one way system that was in place then. Also a short lived Saturday only 185A that went to Elephant & Castle. I think the 185 is still fine as it is and I can't think of any change that would improve it. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Feb 17, 2022 20:54:27 GMT
Route 185 has stayed the same since 1987 when it was lost the peak hours extension to Greenwich, but the core route is the same as it was when it launched in 1951. I'm being a bit pedantic but I remember a time when the 185 couldn't turn right at Camberwell Green and had to turn left and go round the one way system that was in place then. Also a short lived Saturday only 185A that went to Elephant & Castle. I think the 185 is still fine as it is and I can't think of any change that would improve it. 24 hour would be a benefit as Forest Hill is cut off from Catford and Lewisham overnight, but it would lead to the section between Camberwell and Forest Hill being overbussed along with the 176. I also remember the 185A which was operated out of Q which provided much needed extra capacity between Camberwell and Lewisham. It was axed for an increased PVR on the 185 on Saturdays. |
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