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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2023 23:58:27 GMT
More details about the forthcoming Enviro 100EV in this Routeone article: www.route-one.net/news/alexander-dennis-enviro100ev-small-bus-redefined/Interesting to read that they planned to launch it as a diesel, then they thought a diesel-hybrid might be more appropriate before settling on fully electric because of shifting market conditions and demands. They also toyed around with the idea of making it wheel forward in the early stages of development. There is also a TfL compliant version in the works. I wonder what bus routes this could be suitable for? Perhaps we could see a few operated by Dial-a-Ride as well? Looks only ok IMO, wouldn't say horrid or ugly but looks a bit off compared to the current MMC model. I'm lost though why a TfL spec one won't be ready until 2024, it's as good a market as any other |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 20, 2023 0:48:30 GMT
More details about the forthcoming Enviro 100EV in this Routeone article: www.route-one.net/news/alexander-dennis-enviro100ev-small-bus-redefined/Interesting to read that they planned to launch it as a diesel, then they thought a diesel-hybrid might be more appropriate before settling on fully electric because of shifting market conditions and demands. They also toyed around with the idea of making it wheel forward in the early stages of development. There is also a TfL compliant version in the works. I wonder what bus routes this could be suitable for? Perhaps we could see a few operated by Dial-a-Ride as well? Looks only ok IMO, wouldn't say horrid or ugly but looks a bit off compared to the current MMC model. I'm lost though why a TfL spec one won't be ready until 2024, it's as good a market as any other Surely the TFL market would be more of a priority, since the requirement for all new vehicles to be electric now? It also means there will continue to be very little choice available for any routes restricted to single-door SDs, such as the E5. |
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Post by yunus on Jan 20, 2023 0:54:12 GMT
Looks only ok IMO, wouldn't say horrid or ugly but looks a bit off compared to the current MMC model. I'm lost though why a TfL spec one won't be ready until 2024, it's as good a market as any other Surely the TFL market would be more of a priority, since the requirement for all new vehicles to be electric now? It also means there will continue to be very little choice available for any routes restricted to single-door SDs, such as the E5. Correct all new vehicles need to be Electric or Hydrogen if even still considered. As we are seeing EVs are 8/10 times late for contract renewals so I agree that TFL buses should be the 1st priority. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 20, 2023 7:06:00 GMT
Surely the TFL market would be more of a priority, since the requirement for all new vehicles to be electric now? It also means there will continue to be very little choice available for any routes restricted to single-door SDs, such as the E5. Correct all new vehicles need to be Electric or Hydrogen if even still considered. As we are seeing EVs are 8/10 times late for contract renewals so I agree that TFL buses should be the 1st priority. I disagree, there was a time when manufacturers would prioritise TfL orders over other orders but that’s gone. They are getting more orders from outside TfL than inside and frankly those customers are arguably more important to the current growth of a business than TfL are. There is no longer a justification for delaying other orders not when TfL are no longer a huge revenue driver. |
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Post by snowman on Jan 20, 2023 8:03:00 GMT
Looks only ok IMO, wouldn't say horrid or ugly but looks a bit off compared to the current MMC model. I'm lost though why a TfL spec one won't be ready until 2024, it's as good a market as any other Surely the TFL market would be more of a priority, since the requirement for all new vehicles to be electric now? It also means there will continue to be very little choice available for any routes restricted to single-door SDs, such as the E5. Not really, TfL market is in a bit of a lull, less than 300 new buses each year for last 2 or 3 years. At one time London would have taken 800-1200 buses a year. Many provincial cities have taken advantage of green bus and levelling up funds grants and ordering loads of buses, whereas orders from London still at a trickle. The TfL fleet audit shows only 13 buses in the smallest category. There is currently no category for a 8.5m slimline electric bus. It isn't the full width 45 capacity 8.8-9m bus. EDIT, just done count up and made it well over 1000 zero emission buses (mainly electric but some hydrogen) for Provincial cities, plus Stagecoach 200 diesel double decks. You can also add the Transport for Ireland orders then well over 1500 non-TfL spec buses on order. If you exclude those already built and stored, I struggle to even get 200 buses on order for London. So not surprised TfL spec is now lower priority. |
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 20, 2023 8:38:53 GMT
Looks only ok IMO, wouldn't say horrid or ugly but looks a bit off compared to the current MMC model. I'm lost though why a TfL spec one won't be ready until 2024, it's as good a market as any other Surely the TFL market would be more of a priority, since the requirement for all new vehicles to be electric now? It also means there will continue to be very little choice available for any routes restricted to single-door SDs, such as the E5. The TfL market would be limited for a vehicle of this size. This is the electric equivalent of the single-door Dennis Dart/Enviro200 and not a lot of London routes have those. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 20, 2023 10:03:33 GMT
Surely the TFL market would be more of a priority, since the requirement for all new vehicles to be electric now? It also means there will continue to be very little choice available for any routes restricted to single-door SDs, such as the E5. The TfL market would be limited for a vehicle of this size. This is the electric equivalent of the single-door Dennis Dart/Enviro200 and not a lot of London routes have those. It is not ready the equivalent of the short E200. The ride quality on 17.5" wheels will not be upto the expectation of stagecoach carriages. This is more a welfare type of bus. The Metrocity should, well in theory, be a class above this new vehicle. The short version of the E200 EV will be what catches on in London .... when it is launched. I really don't want to see many of these in London on TfL services as I don't think they will be of suitable quality .... you might as well order the Mellor Orion E instead of this. |
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Post by TB123 on Jan 31, 2023 12:10:39 GMT
Stagecoach are ordering 55 of the new-generation E400EVs for Oxford city/Oxfordshire services as part of the ZEBRA funding deal for that area
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 31, 2023 20:51:38 GMT
Stagecoach are ordering 55 of the new-generation E400EVs for Oxford city/Oxfordshire services as part of the ZEBRA funding deal for that area I saw that earlier. I wonder if they will order more for the 199 and make that their standard bus now. |
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Post by busoccultation on Jan 31, 2023 22:09:31 GMT
Stagecoach are ordering 55 of the new-generation E400EVs for Oxford city/Oxfordshire services as part of the ZEBRA funding deal for that area I saw that earlier. I wonder if they will order more for the 199 and make that their standard bus now. That and also the 86, which I could see Stagecoach possibly ordering the next gen E400EV's for both routes, after all they did became the first London operator to have Enviro200 MMC's while other London operators were still ordering the old style Enviro200's around 2015/16. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 31, 2023 22:19:44 GMT
What lengths does the new ADL Enviro400EV come in?
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Post by TB123 on Jan 31, 2023 22:54:20 GMT
Stagecoach are ordering 55 of the new-generation E400EVs for Oxford city/Oxfordshire services as part of the ZEBRA funding deal for that area I saw that earlier. I wonder if they will order more for the 199 and make that their standard bus now. Provided they can fit around the 199 (and 86) I'd certainly expect so but Stagecoach has also ordered electric products from Volvo recently (outside London) at least so they may well consider some other choices. |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Jan 31, 2023 23:32:22 GMT
What lengths does the new ADL Enviro400EV come in? I believe its 11.1m. Not sure if it comes at shorter length. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 31, 2023 23:50:00 GMT
What lengths does the new ADL Enviro400EV come in? I believe its 11.1m. Not sure if it comes at shorter length. Which is why I still operators will order the BYD ones given they will be more familiar with them and some will have already built decent numbers up not to mention they come in more acceptable lengths for TfL operation |
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 1, 2023 0:34:49 GMT
I believe its 11.1m. Not sure if it comes at shorter length. Which is why I still operators will order the BYD ones given they will be more familiar with them and some will have already built decent numbers up not to mention they come in more acceptable lengths for TfL operation Depends how highly the BYD/ADL product is regarded. Previously, the competition was just Switch which did not work ... maybe the BYD/ADL product is not all that operators desire.It is no longer the only product that works. But how well? |
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