|
Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 21, 2022 18:27:54 GMT
Does it even need to expand? i imagine it costs a small fortune to run probably doesn't cover its costs. It's not like it really benefits night workers as it only runs Friday and Saturdays.
I am sure others will disagree but this is just my personal opinion.
I think it does actually cover its costs, otherwise they wouldn't have brought it back. I think you're underestimating how big the night crowd is on Fridays and Saturdays. 238Ns frequently leave Stratford bus station rammed solid to the door, even leaving people behind while the N15 and N25 are some of London's busiest night routes. Pulling as much as day routes in a quarter of the time they operate. These three examples at least show that a night District Line would make sense. I'm sure there's other examples in other areas where you have the Met and Bakerloo not running at night.
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Nov 21, 2022 18:47:54 GMT
Being a brand new line that doesn’t have any engineering complexities like legacy lines do, I wonder if it would be possible to run the Liz Line Sunday to Thursday night or Monday to Thursday night? I think it would be best to do Friday & Saturday nights first, see how that goes and then go from there
|
|
|
Post by buspete on Nov 21, 2022 20:06:08 GMT
Being a brand new line that doesn’t have any engineering complexities like legacy lines do, I wonder if it would be possible to run the Liz Line Sunday to Thursday night or Monday to Thursday night? I think it would be best to do Friday & Saturday nights first, see how that goes and then go from there I am not saying it should do Friday & Saturday Night, but Sunday to Thursday Night - thus giving a night tube service 7 days a week, also a all night train service to Heathrow every day.
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Nov 21, 2022 21:09:47 GMT
I think it would be best to do Friday & Saturday nights first, see how that goes and then go from there I am not saying it should do Friday & Saturday Night, but Sunday to Thursday Night - thus giving a night tube service 7 days a week, also a all night train service to Heathrow every day. I never said you did so confused by your response?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 21:11:45 GMT
What also needs to happen is the weekend night buses given their services back.
|
|
|
Post by enviroPB on Nov 21, 2022 21:26:06 GMT
Does it even need to expand? i imagine it costs a small fortune to run probably doesn't cover its costs. It's not like it really benefits night workers as it only runs Friday and Saturdays.
I am sure others will disagree but this is just my personal opinion.
I disagree, the night time economy is important to London. Friday and Saturday are the most crucial nights and I think services on these nights should be extended to the Sub-surface lines, the Elizabeth Line and certain National Rail routes especially those from Charing Cross and Victoria. In terms of covering its costs, these are actually fairly marginal as the assets - trains, stations and railway lines - already exist, the extra costs are staffing and some energy consumption, with a small allowance for extra wear and tear. It is possible that the extra income from fares would exceed this. The extra fares would either come from modal shift (people transferring from private transport, taxis/minicabs and buses), or generated demand (people who are making the journey because the service is now available) Night workers are likely to be working through the night so would use existing late evening and early morning services. Initial Crossrail reports projecting revenue forecasts suggest around 8 years until Night Tube broke even. It only took 2 years for the break-even point to be achieved, even beating TfL's most optimistic target. I wish to not impede on what you have said as it is near perfect. All I wish to add is that some users along the Thameslink line have relished in getting home late due to 24 hour operation of its Bedford- Three Bridges route. Speaking personally, I booked an earlier (and cheaper) flight at Gatwick for 5am last month simply because I knew there was a train service at 3am that could get me to the airport.
|
|
|
Post by rif153 on Nov 21, 2022 21:37:26 GMT
I doubt anything on the Bakerloo line till new trains. With the Piccadilly line to Ealing Common and Central to Broadway I'd expect the District to only go Upminster to Wimbledon and Richmond with no service to E Broadway and the Hammersmith & City not to have a night service if the Circle does. If the Bank branch gets one then I'd expect Battersea to aswell with a split of a 15 mins service to Morden on either branch and then every 15 mins to Battersea. The Ealing section of the Piccadilly line does not have a night service, all trains go to Heathrow. I'd love it if Ealing Common had a night tube service, but I struggle to see the night tube going all the way to Rayners Lane. A night service on the sub surface lines is badly needed especially on the District for me but talk of a night service on the SSR has gone very quiet leading me to wonder if it could be quietly dropped.
|
|
|
Post by northlondon83 on Nov 22, 2022 23:17:01 GMT
Night services I would implement: Bakerloo line - all Central line: including West Ruislip branch District line - Ealing Broadway to Barking Metropolitan line - Uxbridge to Aldgate
|
|
|
Post by dominic on Jan 10, 2023 20:52:02 GMT
What about London Bridge, that needs overnight national rail services aswell.
|
|
|
Post by enviroPB on Jan 10, 2023 21:48:35 GMT
What about London Bridge, that needs overnight national rail services aswell. Whilst you can't catch the train there as the station is closed at night, there is a 24 hour Thameslink service that serves London. It's from Three Bridges, Gatwick Airport, East Croydon, Blackfriars and all stations from King's Cross towards Bedford that have at least an hourly train service throughout the night. Engineering works and strikes permitting of course.
|
|
|
Post by Green Kitten on Jan 11, 2023 7:16:22 GMT
Night services I would implement: Bakerloo line - all Central line: including West Ruislip branch District line - Ealing Broadway to Barking Metropolitan line - Uxbridge to Aldgate I don’t see the District line running from Ealing Broadway, you already have the Pic covering between Barons Court and Acton Town and the Central line at Ealing Broadway. If anything, I imagine the service would run Wimbledon - Upminster (to allow for changeovers). Bakerloo runs on NR track north of Queen’s Park so don’t see that happening. I don’t think it’s very justified.
|
|
|
Post by southlondon413 on Jan 11, 2023 14:20:41 GMT
Night services I would implement: Bakerloo line - all Central line: including West Ruislip branch District line - Ealing Broadway to Barking Metropolitan line - Uxbridge to Aldgate I don’t see the District line running from Ealing Broadway, you already have the Pic covering between Barons Court and Acton Town and the Central line at Ealing Broadway. If anything, I imagine the service would run Wimbledon - Upminster (to allow for changeovers). Bakerloo runs on NR track north of Queen’s Park so don’t see that happening. I don’t think it’s very justified. I’m pretty sure SWR still use the Wimbledon branch from Putney for late night trains between Waterloo and Wimbledon so not sure how viable night tube would be on the District Line on the branch. Ealing or Richmond to Upminster or Barking might work though.
|
|
|
Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 11, 2023 18:19:22 GMT
I’m pretty sure SWR still use the Wimbledon branch from Putney for late night trains between Waterloo and Wimbledon so not sure how viable night tube would be on the District Line on the branch. Ealing or Richmond to Upminster or Barking might work though. Just one train at 23.49 from Wimbledon via East Putney and the next at 05.05 from Wimbledon depot.
|
|
|
Post by southlondonbus on Jan 11, 2023 19:00:12 GMT
Night services I would implement: Bakerloo line - all Central line: including West Ruislip branch District line - Ealing Broadway to Barking Metropolitan line - Uxbridge to Aldgate I don’t see the District line running from Ealing Broadway, you already have the Pic covering between Barons Court and Acton Town and the Central line at Ealing Broadway. If anything, I imagine the service would run Wimbledon - Upminster (to allow for changeovers). Bakerloo runs on NR track north of Queen’s Park so don’t see that happening. I don’t think it’s very justified. The age of the Bakerloo Line trains may also hold back any plans for a night service.
|
|
|
Post by wirewiper on Jan 11, 2023 19:11:33 GMT
I don’t see the District line running from Ealing Broadway, you already have the Pic covering between Barons Court and Acton Town and the Central line at Ealing Broadway. If anything, I imagine the service would run Wimbledon - Upminster (to allow for changeovers). Bakerloo runs on NR track north of Queen’s Park so don’t see that happening. I don’t think it’s very justified. The age of the Bakerloo Line trains may also hold back any plans for a night service. Bakerloo Line has been discussed higher up the thread - someone suggested the permament way has high maintenance needs due to the twisty nature of the route. The Bakerloo is also the quietest of the deep-level tube lines and the Jubilee and Northern provide reasonable alternatives for many journeys.
|
|