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Post by TB123 on Aug 11, 2023 19:56:31 GMT
I'd assume he means a longer sentence, personally though you will always get bad drivers in any industry but the bus industry in London at least has one of the worst rotas/ shift patterns around , I believe most companies have drivers doing 4 stints of 7 days on 2 off then a nice block of 4 days off together ! Plus spread overs and changing between early lates and nights , plus enforced overtime In my opinion it's dangerous and ludicrous , surely there is a better way to work ? even a 4 on 4 off or a 5 and 3 off something has to be better than the current system it's crazy ! and definitely cannot help with fatigue etc doing 60 hours driving for most that time . RIP to the young boy . I would be intrigued to get more details on this case. As for the rota, this is something an incident like this could have raised if one of the reasons established was the driver was tired. Then the judge could have emphasised this as an action for TfL. That is the only way it changes, i.e. TfL realise that this is a safety issue. Similar to how aviation accidents have lead to better practices. Also, I am not sure about the legalities of this, but I believe it is not illegal to go passed amber, so he must have gone passed it when it went red but not clear. Also, accelerating does not mean you are going fast. I suspect if he pleaded not guilty, it might have been more difficult to prosecute him. The sentence seems fine to me. This is not equivalent to someone killing someone else with premeditation. Hopefully, other drivers use this as a learning as it is quite common for drivers to accelerate passed amber (all drivers do it not just bus drivers). He passed the lights 2.4 seconds after they turned red, accelerating up to 26 mph (in a 20 zone) I think what's also pretty disgusting is that he falsely claimed in court that the kid was distracted and using his phone crossing the road. I think falsely speaking ill of someone you've killed accidentally is a pretty clear sign of someone's character....
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Post by vjaska on Aug 11, 2023 22:19:31 GMT
Are you suggesting the driver gets capital punishment? no I'm not suggesting that. What I meant that it's still a life lost. The sentence should be doubled for him to face justice. Regardless of whether you accidentally or purposefully kill someone else it is a serious offense and getting away with 2.5 years for a major offense is having it easy. Now that you've clarified that point, I do agree with you - regardless of remorse, the sentence is too light IMO and a sentence to me has always supposed to be a deterrent to others. Two and half years (probably more like 1 year and a few months given most serve shorter than the actual sentence anyway) isn't enough for wreckless driving that was entirely avoidable and the family now have a life sentence due to the death of their loved one as a result.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 11, 2023 23:16:52 GMT
Although the death wasn't intentional, he still killed someone. Just because there are no serious consequences of jumping a red light most of the time, doesn't mean that you should do it. If other drivers followed suit by jumping red lights more often, then we'll have more cases of the above. Have you not been on the road recently? Red light jumping is out of control and this includes bus drivers! It’s got to the point where I will not cross a road until I am sure cars have come to a complete stop. I have always done exactly that. I do not take any chances. What if the person driving the vehicle has had a heart attack or a seizure and not able to stop. I would not be a statistic for anyone. We also do not know the full in and out, but it was said the driver was running back light to the garage for break. The driver is fully responsible imo and is likely to have not stopped or use care & caution even if it were a green light. You have to use the logic that people may just jump out in front of your vehicle and you may be prepared to stop.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 11, 2023 23:19:47 GMT
Have you not been on the road recently? Red light jumping is out of control and this includes bus drivers! It’s got to the point where I will not cross a road until I am sure cars have come to a complete stop. There is a problem in London particularly (once your within the North Circ if coming from East) with "boy racers" driving like complete bell ends and little to no traffic police about or police at all for that matter , but without the details of the case could be a number of reasons we are all human at the end of the day and make mistakes just a very sad life changing one in this case . So blame it on boy racers??? The statistics does not show they are mowing people down at traffic lights. In fact a lot of it is down to driving without due care and attention. One thing that is common is distractions like being on the phone, although some would use speeding as the punishments tends to be less. Lawyers also advise people to be crooks imo to get lighter sentences or get off scott free when they should really be facing the consequences.
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 12, 2023 7:47:32 GMT
I would be intrigued to get more details on this case. As for the rota, this is something an incident like this could have raised if one of the reasons established was the driver was tired. Then the judge could have emphasised this as an action for TfL. That is the only way it changes, i.e. TfL realise that this is a safety issue. Similar to how aviation accidents have lead to better practices. Also, I am not sure about the legalities of this, but I believe it is not illegal to go passed amber, so he must have gone passed it when it went red but not clear. Also, accelerating does not mean you are going fast. I suspect if he pleaded not guilty, it might have been more difficult to prosecute him. The sentence seems fine to me. This is not equivalent to someone killing someone else with premeditation. Hopefully, other drivers use this as a learning as it is quite common for drivers to accelerate passed amber (all drivers do it not just bus drivers). He passed the lights 2.4 seconds after they turned red, accelerating up to 26 mph (in a 20 zone) I think what's also pretty disgusting is that he falsely claimed in court that the kid was distracted and using his phone crossing the road. I think falsely speaking ill of someone you've killed accidentally is a pretty clear sign of someone's character.... Based on the above numbers (which are outrageous - and does not happen really - 2.4 seconds after red!), I think he had no choice but to plead guilty to get as minimal sentence as possible.
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 12, 2023 8:09:06 GMT
He passed the lights 2.4 seconds after they turned red, accelerating up to 26 mph (in a 20 zone) I think what's also pretty disgusting is that he falsely claimed in court that the kid was distracted and using his phone crossing the road. I think falsely speaking ill of someone you've killed accidentally is a pretty clear sign of someone's character.... Based on the above numbers (which are outrageous - and does not happen really - 2.4 seconds after red!), I think he had no choice but to plead guilty to get as minimal sentence as possible. To be honest criminals like him always try to find a way out of it, like someone else mentioned the driver tried to make lies about the kid being on his phone
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