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Post by redexpress on Jan 24, 2019 20:12:45 GMT
Indeed, I think there might have been only ever been deckers at TF during the TF running day or if any were ever parked up for storage - every other garage under the Travel London/Abellio umbrella has had deckers including the Surrey side and that's even ignoring the Green Bus Tridents - the 400 was double decker operated using L2 & L3 under Travel London before they were eventually replaced by two V reg Tridents (9715 & 25 might have been the vehicles in question but I can't quite recall) The 350 got transferred to TF while still using Double Deckers about few weeks before it was converted back to Single Deckers back in 2017 and the first three months of Abellio running the U5 using Double Deckers was also ran from TF before it eventually got transferred to WS. In addition, the Kingston Uni service ran with DDs from TF for a few years before TGM won the contract. I think they also ran a couple of Surrey school services from TF for a while.
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Post by redexpress on Jan 24, 2019 20:14:31 GMT
Moving the 350 out of WS would be especially difficult, given that it already runs from TF 207 from TF will certainly be interesting. I suppose it helps that the N207 will keep quite a few buses on the road at night, so no need to find space for the full allocation.
Apparently, the N207 will be using vehicles from the 427, so will likely be operated from WS or both TF and WS. True, I'd forgotten that most of the 207 allocation won't be hybrid, and the N207 will need hybrids for central London.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 20:39:51 GMT
Apparently, the N207 will be using vehicles from the 427, so will likely be operated from WS or both TF and WS. True, I'd forgotten that most of the 207 allocation won't be hybrid, and the N207 will need hybrids for central London. They will all need to be Euro 6 rating however for the Uxbridge Road LEBZ
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Post by WSD3 on Jan 24, 2019 21:21:52 GMT
from what i have seen from london connected on there tender page route 207 will be getting buses from ex 452 (2401-2413) as well as ex 415 im thinking the 15 plate buses. so the majority of the route may become hybrid durring the day.
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Post by COBO on Jan 24, 2019 21:47:06 GMT
from what i have seen from london connected on there tender page route 207 will be getting buses from ex 452 (2401-2413) as well as ex 415 im thinking the 15 plate buses. so the majority of the route may become hybrid durring the day. The 207 will be taking ex C2 Enviro 400s (9524-9543), ex 415 Enviro 400 MMCs and brand new Enviro 400 MMCs. The majority of the allocation will be diesel. 2401-2413 were allocated to the 188 not the 452, went of lease and have become spares ever since they were bought back.
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Post by rj131 on Jan 24, 2019 22:00:43 GMT
Oh wow this will be interesting. Will this new depot close both the current WS and temporary AB base and amalgamated into one depot? I don’t wish to sound cynical here as pessimism isn’t really my style but I’m getting really bad instincts about the 207 run by Abellio. If TF is to be used it’s a huge distance away from the route which won’t help reliability at all, not to mention the route getting a substantial PVR cut but without (as far as we know) a change in frequency, which I think will end up descending into a ‘13 mark 2’ situation. 28 vehicles is physically not enough vehicles to maintain a 5-6 minute headway in the peaks (provided londonbusroutes.net quoted time of 78 minutes is correct) let alone the rest time at each end. So for that reason oddly I really hope there is a marginal frequency reduction so there’s any hope it can be ran properly. But then if there is a reduction AND the 427 being taken out from Acton to Southall ..... oh dear. Poor 607 is all I can say to that. So yeah, will be very happy to be proved wrong but I think the route will become total mayhem. I mean Abellio are a good operator and run probably the most tightly timetables routes routes of all and I would LOVE to eat humble pie 🥧, as I’m also thinking ‘good on Abellio taking on their biggest and busiest ever route’. However I think this coups be a step too far There will probably be minimal dead running during this time, I imagine a sign on at TF and a ferry car to Hayes By-Pass to pick up the bus. The current Abellio MD knows the 207 very well. Okay, knowing that little nugget of information it’s actually raised my optimism quite a lot. I really do hope they pull it off as it really shows what they’re capable of.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 24, 2019 23:02:16 GMT
from what i have seen from london connected on there tender page route 207 will be getting buses from ex 452 (2401-2413) as well as ex 415 im thinking the 15 plate buses. so the majority of the route may become hybrid durring the day. The 207 will be taking ex C2 Enviro 400s (9524-9543), ex 415 Enviro 400 MMCs and brand new Enviro 400 MMCs. The majority of the allocation will be diesel. 2401-2413 were allocated to the 188 not the 452, went of lease and have become spares ever since they were bought back. To be fair to WSD3 I have also heard what he mentioned from a good source - however, I believe it to be unlikely as the 415 has only seen a handful of LT's this month alone and seems to have starved off the conversion to LT at this point. At this stage, it's best to just wait & see.
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Post by thebusguy on Jan 25, 2019 16:44:36 GMT
I heard 8065 is broken down at Fulwell (TF) from a driver, can someone report that to LVF as a VOR as I don’t have Facebook.
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Post by rj131 on Jan 25, 2019 18:04:59 GMT
I heard 8065 is broken down at Fulwell (TF) from a driver, can someone report that to LVF as a VOR as I don’t have Facebook. to be fair I’m pretty sure that vehicle won’t be reentering service now, I’ll be surprised if it does.
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Post by thebusguy on Jan 25, 2019 18:18:28 GMT
I heard 8065 is broken down at Fulwell (TF) from a driver, can someone report that to LVF as a VOR as I don’t have Facebook. to be fair I’m pretty sure that vehicle won’t be reentering service now, I’ll be surprised if it does. The driver did say that management are considering whether to keep it, but the problem is that it will need to be upgraded to Euro 4 as it runs in the low emission zone. The driver takes running no 69 on a Monday (I think, it is the 07.45 from New Malden Station) so I’ll ask him then
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Post by vjaska on Jan 25, 2019 19:07:20 GMT
I heard 8065 is broken down at Fulwell (TF) from a driver, can someone report that to LVF as a VOR as I don’t have Facebook. Depends on how severe the break down is - LVF won't mark it off if it's just a quick out of action breakdown rather than a lengthy one. Also, 8065 should of been upgraded at least to Euro IV status ages ago - think the deadline was March 2018 IIRC.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 25, 2019 19:08:26 GMT
I heard 8065 is broken down at Fulwell (TF) from a driver, can someone report that to LVF as a VOR as I don’t have Facebook. to be fair I’m pretty sure that vehicle won’t be reentering service now, I’ll be surprised if it does. If it's only broken down, why would it not re-enter service? It's not severely damaged by the sounds of it after all.
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Post by thebusguy on Jan 25, 2019 20:14:42 GMT
to be fair I’m pretty sure that vehicle won’t be reentering service now, I’ll be surprised if it does. If it's only broken down, why would it not re-enter service? It's not severely damaged by the sounds of it after all. It’s so old, TF are considering to scrap as so many complaints from residents have come in about the ‘obnoxious’ whistle.
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Post by rj131 on Jan 25, 2019 22:25:41 GMT
If it's only broken down, why would it not re-enter service? It's not severely damaged by the sounds of it after all. It’s so old, TF are considering to scrap as so many complaints from residents have come in about the ‘obnoxious’ whistle. My thinking exactly, it’s nearly 17 years old, by London standards it’s long past it’s sell by date now.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 25, 2019 23:23:55 GMT
It’s so old, TF are considering to scrap as so many complaints from residents have come in about the ‘obnoxious’ whistle. My thinking exactly, it’s nearly 17 years old, by London standards it’s long past it’s sell by date now. You don't scrap a vehicle just because you deem it too old otherwise there would be no such thing as preserved buses or a heritage fleet. It's not even the oldest vehicle in service in London and furthermore, do not think that every new vehicle is an excellent upgrade on what goes before either - there have been many situations where an older bus has replaced a newer one and gone on to perform very well.
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