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Post by Londontransport3 on Apr 2, 2019 14:47:34 GMT
Just spoke to a K1 driver and he said the E10 is going to QB! He said “WS isn’t ready for E10, so they are sending it to QB temporary.” Shocking... I would have thought TF would be used.... The same driver that told you that 8065 will be scrapped yet it's safely tucked up with it's new owner I wonder who got it? Its a lovely little bus! Not a single thing wrong with it!
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Post by WSD3 on Apr 2, 2019 16:13:41 GMT
I got a feeling that 2402-13 is heading towards the 415 to release the enviro 400 MMC's for route 207. 2402,2403,2405 and 2406 are on 415 now. They all have WL codes on the buses so I can see them going back there
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Post by Londontransport3 on Apr 2, 2019 17:40:13 GMT
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Post by rj131 on Apr 2, 2019 18:41:47 GMT
The 207 will have a PVR of 29 instead of 28 come Saturday which why 2401 has been drafted in I presume. 6 less buses but the frequency has barely reduced at all, boy if you want thrashy bus journeys then look no further than an Abellio 207!! At least there’ll be one route that won’t have succumbed to incessant regulation won’t be any time for hanging around!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 2, 2019 18:48:09 GMT
The 207 will have a PVR of 29 instead of 28 come Saturday which why 2401 has been drafted in I presume. 6 less buses but the frequency has barely reduced at all, boy if you want thrashy bus journeys then look no further than an Abellio 207!! At least there’ll be one route that won’t have succumbed to incessant regulation won’t be any time for hanging around! I wouldn't go that far, Metroline do often have quite a few 207s on stand at a time, especially if you pay a visit to Hayes sometimes it seems as if the line of buses on stand is never ending. Wouldn't be surprised if Abellio have just shaved all of these off instead to help reduce the PVR but maintain a similar frequency.
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Post by met120 on Apr 2, 2019 19:11:18 GMT
Why was the 427 service so bunchy today? It’s a rarity normally Abellio are on top of it.
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Post by MoEnviro on Apr 2, 2019 19:38:58 GMT
Why was the 427 service so bunchy today? It’s a rarity normally Abellio are on top of it. TfL were reporting delays of 30 mins through Southall due to filming in the Broadway area.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2019 21:46:40 GMT
The 207 will have a PVR of 29 instead of 28 come Saturday which why 2401 has been drafted in I presume. 6 less buses but the frequency has barely reduced at all, boy if you want thrashy bus journeys then look no further than an Abellio 207!! At least there’ll be one route that won’t have succumbed to incessant regulation won’t be any time for hanging around! Not all 207's hang around - I had a fast journey the other day on a 207 during Friday daytime where the driver was flooring the 12 reg VW end to end
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Post by rj131 on Apr 2, 2019 22:01:38 GMT
6 less buses but the frequency has barely reduced at all, boy if you want thrashy bus journeys then look no further than an Abellio 207!! At least there’ll be one route that won’t have succumbed to incessant regulation won’t be any time for hanging around! Not all 207's hang around - I had a fast journey the other day on a 207 during Friday daytime where the driver was flooring the 12 reg VW end to end You’re right I don’t think the 207’s hang around anyway, I’ve never been on one that has. That was part of my disbelief the 207’s PVR is being slashed to 28, if the buses already don’t have time to doardle with 35 vehicles, then how on Earth are just 28 (well 29 for the moment) vehicles going to cope? That was why I had serious initial doubts that the 207 would become Abellio’s route 13, a cheap as chips bid which would be totally unsustainable. But after hearing the MD’s experience with the corridor, and how well I’m told Abellio run the 427 currently (something which I’m not really aware of as I’ve not actually ridden that route yet) I think they’ll actually turn out to do quite well
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Post by met120 on Apr 2, 2019 22:27:57 GMT
Not all 207's hang around - I had a fast journey the other day on a 207 during Friday daytime where the driver was flooring the 12 reg VW end to end You’re right I don’t think the 207’s hang around anyway, I’ve never been on one that has. That was part of my disbelief the 207’s PVR is being slashed to 28, if the buses already don’t have time to doardle with 35 vehicles, then how on Earth are just 28 (well 29 for the moment) vehicles going to cope? That was why I had serious initial doubts that the 207 would become Abellio’s route 13, a cheap as chips bid which would be totally unsustainable. But after hearing the MD’s experience with the corridor, and how well I’m told Abellio run the 427 currently (something which I’m not really aware of as I’ve not actually ridden that route yet) I think they’ll actually turn out to do quite well Most of the drivers crawl in the peaks but there is a rare few that don’t mess around or hang around. Most customers seem to want to squeeze onto the 427. That’s my observation.
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Post by rj131 on Apr 2, 2019 22:44:37 GMT
You’re right I don’t think the 207’s hang around anyway, I’ve never been on one that has. That was part of my disbelief the 207’s PVR is being slashed to 28, if the buses already don’t have time to doardle with 35 vehicles, then how on Earth are just 28 (well 29 for the moment) vehicles going to cope? That was why I had serious initial doubts that the 207 would become Abellio’s route 13, a cheap as chips bid which would be totally unsustainable. But after hearing the MD’s experience with the corridor, and how well I’m told Abellio run the 427 currently (something which I’m not really aware of as I’ve not actually ridden that route yet) I think they’ll actually turn out to do quite well Most of the drivers crawl in the peaks but there is a rare few that don’t mess around or hang around. Most customers seem to want to squeeze onto the 427. That’s my observation. No doubt they squeeze onto the 427 because it doesn’t tend hang around and doardle .... because Abellio run it the formula 1 team of the London bus network 🏎
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Post by Hassaan on Apr 2, 2019 22:59:17 GMT
Why was the 427 service so bunchy today? It’s a rarity normally Abellio are on top of it. TfL were reporting delays of 30 mins through Southall due to filming in the Broadway area. There may also have been a temporary traffic light in Acton (certainly was there yesterday)
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Post by Frenzie on Apr 2, 2019 23:05:16 GMT
Most of the drivers crawl in the peaks but there is a rare few that don’t mess around or hang around. Most customers seem to want to squeeze onto the 427. That’s my observation. No doubt they squeeze onto the 427 because it doesn’t tend hang around and doardle .... because Abellio run it the formula 1 team of the London bus network 🏎 What’s all this about Abellio buses flooring it. Whenever I end up on one of their buses it’s usually crawling along at 25 mph. My recent experience on the N68 comes to mind although perhaps I got unlucky with the particular trip.
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Post by Hassaan on Apr 2, 2019 23:11:30 GMT
Most of the drivers crawl in the peaks but there is a rare few that don’t mess around or hang around. Most customers seem to want to squeeze onto the 427. That’s my observation. No doubt they squeeze onto the 427 because it doesn’t tend hang around and doardle .... because Abellio run it the formula 1 team of the London bus network 🏎 The 207 has live driver changeovers at Iron Bridge, a stupid place to do them given there is no lay-by westbound and it blocks the normal traffic lanes (at least the other way it is in the bus lane). When G had the 195 (under both First and Metroline ownership) they did driver changeovers down the road outside Ealing Hospital, where a separate flag was provided for the westbound 195 buses just before the traffic lights and is still there today. Really doesn't make sense when the 207 is twice as frequent as the 195). Also in my experience, Abellio drivers have consistently proved themselves to be far more courteous, cheerful and smooth drivers compared to Metroline ones. This is especially the case on the 195 and E5 which are well used by mobility impaired users. In comparison, 120 drivers hate lowering the bus and many don't even attempt to drive smoothly with the B5LHs. Plus the vast majority of driver-passenger arguments I see in the area are on Metroline buses. Coming back to the 207, things are made worse by the Gemini 2s being so cramped inside, and I've found on those buses (across multiple operators) are prone to drivers closing the rear doors while passengers are still getting off, suggesting visibility isn't great (unless by coincidence it is a Metroline AH/G/PA and Go-Ahead RR specialty...)
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Post by redexpress on Apr 3, 2019 8:23:05 GMT
Not all 207's hang around - I had a fast journey the other day on a 207 during Friday daytime where the driver was flooring the 12 reg VW end to end You’re right I don’t think the 207’s hang around anyway, I’ve never been on one that has. That was part of my disbelief the 207’s PVR is being slashed to 28, if the buses already don’t have time to doardle with 35 vehicles, then how on Earth are just 28 (well 29 for the moment) vehicles going to cope? That was why I had serious initial doubts that the 207 would become Abellio’s route 13, a cheap as chips bid which would be totally unsustainable. But after hearing the MD’s experience with the corridor, and how well I’m told Abellio run the 427 currently (something which I’m not really aware of as I’ve not actually ridden that route yet) I think they’ll actually turn out to do quite well The PVR is reducing because the peak frequency is reducing. Cutting the frequency from x5 mins to x6 mins might not sound much but it is actually a substantial saving (from 12bph to 10bph if you want to look at it another way). On top of that the extra school journeys are being withdrawn. The fact that off-peak frequencies are not decreasing is irrelevant - it's the peak frequency that determines the PVR.
Comparing old and new timetables (both are available on londonbusroutes.net) shows that Abellio are actually increasing some of the peak running times, so anyone hoping for a F1-style ride on the 207 might be disappointed... I haven't checked the whole timetable though, so there might still be an opportunity for a fast ride at quieter times.
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