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Post by ibus246 on May 3, 2024 16:17:47 GMT
Let me rephrase that, an evenly spaced 2bph. Not much point in operating an alternating 20/40 frequency, the only options would be to run all 3bph through to Epsom (would require quite a bit of money from Surrey), or 4bph to Banstead/2bph to Epsom (would increase costs for TfL). Other option would be for Surrey to fund a 2bph from Banstead to Epsom, and 166 cut back to Banstead Increase the frequency of the 318 then and make it run 7-7?
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Post by WH241 on May 3, 2024 16:36:12 GMT
The see the forum favorite 414 is getting a few mentions lately! I can't see it going anywhere as it provides additional capacity on the shared 14 corridor and is cheaper to run than the expensive 14 tender!
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Post by londonbuses on May 3, 2024 17:07:19 GMT
The see the forum favorite 414 is getting a few mentions lately! I can't see it going anywhere as it provides additional capacity on the shared 14 corridor and is cheaper to run than the expensive 14 tender! Not anymore considering RATP threw the contract back and it's now up for tender! It'll probably be cheaper to agree a frequency increase of the 14 with GAL than a new contract for the 414.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 3, 2024 17:43:04 GMT
I have heard Kingston rumoured more than once, and although slightly off topic, but in a similar area, Surrey CC have aspirations to make all what they call ‘category 1’ bus routes at least 2 bph within 18-24 months. Kingston does need a good look at to be honest, the K routes especially could do with some sorting out. An extension of the 71 to Ham would also do quite well (with the 671 withdrawn), and would be relatively cheap for the benefits it would give. Very interesting about the Surrey routes, good to hear they are improving frequencies but I foresee it causing problems for the cross-border services as they can't compete with TfL services. I believe the 166 between Banstead and Epsom is "category 1", so it will be interesting to see how TfL and Surrey go about increasing its frequency (especially with the current 3bph making it impossible to implement a half hourly service between Banstead and Epsom). What benefit though? The Kingston-Ham section of the 65 is the quietest part. Unless the 65 is being cut back to Ham to compensate I really don’t see the need for the 71 on the same section.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 3, 2024 18:37:31 GMT
I have heard Kingston rumoured more than once, and although slightly off topic, but in a similar area, Surrey CC have aspirations to make all what they call ‘category 1’ bus routes at least 2 bph within 18-24 months. Out of curiosity has it been posted anywhere about Surrey's aspiration for 2bph on their category 1 services? It's a great idea but very expensive! And I wonder how they'd fund it. It’s buried deep within the SCC meetings papers on their website. I didn’t bookmark it like a lemon, but I did screenshoot what SCC list as cat 1 services - many already meet the criteria so perhaps not as expensive as it could be - the list isn’t huge. Perhaps 458, 515 and 715 among the more significant to a London bus forum.
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Post by londonbuses on May 3, 2024 18:44:26 GMT
Out of curiosity has it been posted anywhere about Surrey's aspiration for 2bph on their category 1 services? It's a great idea but very expensive! And I wonder how they'd fund it. It’s buried deep within the SCC meetings papers on their website. I didn’t bookmark it like a lemon, but I did screenshoot what SCC list as cat 1 services - many already meet the criteria so perhaps not as expensive as it could be - the list isn’t huge. Perhaps 458, 515 and 715 among the more significant to a London bus forum. I believe those three and the 409, 420 and 461 are the only ones which enter London (there might also be a couple at Heathrow that I'm forgetting), along with the TfL services 166, 216 and 465 (the only TfL bus routes partially funded by Surrey, the latter two which already meet the frequency requirements).
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Post by southlondonbus on May 3, 2024 19:48:33 GMT
The see the forum favorite 414 is getting a few mentions lately! I can't see it going anywhere as it provides additional capacity on the shared 14 corridor and is cheaper to run than the expensive 14 tender! It may be thou they want to keep the 414 contract free to use for another route. For sake of argument if TFL just withdrew the 74 due to it largely covered by the 14/414/430 then the 414 would be a place to put the current 74 contract.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on May 3, 2024 20:15:43 GMT
I'm also expecting a consultation involving routes 45 and 118 in the coming weeks/months. Something in background currently is happening with those routes, I'm sure of it.
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Post by redbus on May 3, 2024 21:31:50 GMT
The see the forum favorite 414 is getting a few mentions lately! I can't see it going anywhere as it provides additional capacity on the shared 14 corridor and is cheaper to run than the expensive 14 tender! Not anymore considering RATP threw the contract back and it's now up for tender! It'll probably be cheaper to agree a frequency increase of the 14 with GAL than a new contract for the 414. I am not so sure. Last time there were four tenders for the 414 and while RATP were the cheapest there didn't seem to be a huge amount between the lowest and highest bids. The 14 only attracted two bids, so there is clearly more competition on the 414, so increasing the likelihood of keeping the 414 to be the cheaper option.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 3, 2024 21:41:42 GMT
Not anymore considering RATP threw the contract back and it's now up for tender! It'll probably be cheaper to agree a frequency increase of the 14 with GAL than a new contract for the 414. I am not so sure. Last time there were four tenders for the 414 and while RATP were the cheapest there didn't seem to be a huge amount between the lowest and highest bids. The 14 only attracted two bids, so there is clearly more competition on the 414, so increasing the likelihood of keeping the 414 to be the cheaper option. Not to be pedantic but it was Tower Transit that secured the 414 contract and not RATP. For me the 414 should go or be restructured to provide better links.
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Post by ServerKing on May 3, 2024 21:47:29 GMT
There will likely be a Southall area consultation later this year including the introduction of a new 495 route. I believe the Meridian Water consultation should also go live this year, too. I saw an MHV on the 476 cycling through blinds and saw Meridian Water as one of it's destinations, so I expect some point this summer
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Post by southlondonbus on May 3, 2024 21:53:53 GMT
I am not so sure. Last time there were four tenders for the 414 and while RATP were the cheapest there didn't seem to be a huge amount between the lowest and highest bids. The 14 only attracted two bids, so there is clearly more competition on the 414, so increasing the likelihood of keeping the 414 to be the cheaper option. Not to be pedantic but it was Tower Transit that secured the 414 contract and not RATP. For me the 414 should go or be restructured to provide better links. I'm guessing TT and RATP might have both bid.
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Post by ucm131 on May 3, 2024 21:55:00 GMT
I'm also expecting a consultation involving routes 45 and 118 in the coming weeks/months. Something in background currently is happening with those routes, I'm sure of it. What are the odds of shortening the 118 to Clapham Park? Could routes that terminate nearby such as 57 or 59 could also be involved? Could 45 get an extension? I'm actually interested in this idea.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 3, 2024 22:05:57 GMT
I'm also expecting a consultation involving routes 45 and 118 in the coming weeks/months. Something in background currently is happening with those routes, I'm sure of it. What are the odds of shortening the 118 to Clapham Park? Could routes that terminate nearby such as 57 or 59 could also be involved? Could 45 get an extension? I'm actually interested in this idea. At the very least I wouldn't be surprised if the 45 and 118 remain with the 45 lopped off between Camberwell and Elephant. That section is very much a carries passengers if it arrives first but in reality the 35 covers it from Walworth to Brixton.
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Post by vjaska on May 3, 2024 22:30:44 GMT
I'm also expecting a consultation involving routes 45 and 118 in the coming weeks/months. Something in background currently is happening with those routes, I'm sure of it. What are the odds of shortening the 118 to Clapham Park? Could routes that terminate nearby such as 57 or 59 could also be involved? Could 45 get an extension? I'm actually interested in this idea. The likelihood is that sadly, the 45 will be stupidly withdrawn completely with the 118 extended to Camberwell as per rumours. The 59 was originally proposed to divert & replace the Clapham Park section but thankfully didn’t go ahead. I’m really not looking forward to what proposal they put forward because an important link for me will be broken
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