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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 8, 2024 10:17:39 GMT
I wonder the 247 & 294 could be merged into one route to run between Noak Hill & Barkingside, which would remove some capacity between Romford & Collier Row. I would divert the 252 to Havering Park via the existing 294 & because there is now free stand space at Collier Row, the popular suggestion of extending the 62 there could be introduced. By rerouting the 252 you sever local links from Mawney Road and parts of Havering Park to Colliers Row, so you are really just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Is there not space simply to extend the 62 anyway? Maybe take out a few parking bays. As you say if you take away parking bays the job is done, issue is then you get to another case where people won't be happy as you've removed parking bays. That said it is annoying how close the 62 gets to Collier Row, but effectively terminates in the middle of nowhere. I still do think that my suggestion of sending the 368 to Marks Gate and rerouting the 62 down London Road to Romford would do good to help the 86, and give people deeper in Becontree a link to Romford.
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Post by bk10mfe on May 8, 2024 11:05:45 GMT
I wonder the 247 & 294 could be merged into one route to run between Noak Hill & Barkingside, which would remove some capacity between Romford & Collier Row. I would divert the 252 to Havering Park via the existing 294 & because there is now free stand space at Collier Row, the popular suggestion of extending the 62 there could be introduced. By rerouting the 252 you sever local links from Mawney Road and parts of Havering Park to Colliers Row, so you are really just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Is there not space simply to extend the 62 anyway? Maybe take out a few parking bays. You could also reroute the 365 via the 294’s LOR, then extend the 252 to Havering Park via the 365.
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Post by vjaska on May 8, 2024 11:27:41 GMT
I wonder the 247 & 294 could be merged into one route to run between Noak Hill & Barkingside, which would remove some capacity between Romford & Collier Row. I would divert the 252 to Havering Park via the existing 294 & because there is now free stand space at Collier Row, the popular suggestion of extending the 62 there could be introduced. Why do you want to remove capacity in the first place, just seems IMO you’re looking for a problem to solve that doesn’t exist. In any event, having a route like that crossing both the A12 & A127 at two junctions known for congestion issues is asking for trouble.
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Post by bk10mfe on May 9, 2024 8:18:15 GMT
I wonder the 247 & 294 could be merged into one route to run between Noak Hill & Barkingside, which would remove some capacity between Romford & Collier Row. I would divert the 252 to Havering Park via the existing 294 & because there is now free stand space at Collier Row, the popular suggestion of extending the 62 there could be introduced. Why do you want to remove capacity in the first place, just seems IMO you’re looking for a problem to solve that doesn’t exist. In any event, having a route like that crossing both the A12 & A127 at two junctions known for congestion issues is asking for trouble. I use that corridor regularly & there is often excess capacity on it, so to me at least it makes sense to remove something & about half of the 294 route parallels the 247 & the extension would only add about 20 mins.
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Post by busoccultation on May 9, 2024 9:06:20 GMT
Why do you want to remove capacity in the first place, just seems IMO you’re looking for a problem to solve that doesn’t exist. In any event, having a route like that crossing both the A12 & A127 at two junctions known for congestion issues is asking for trouble. I use that corridor regularly & there is often excess capacity on it, so to me at least it makes sense to remove something & about half of the 294 route parallels the 247 & the extension would only add about 20 mins. All you're doing to do with that is make the route very long and less reliable in the process, the 247 & 294 in their current form are fine as it is and the capacity provided is just about right to what it needs on both of those routes from my regular usage along that corridor over the years.
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 9, 2024 17:04:51 GMT
By rerouting the 252 you sever local links from Mawney Road and parts of Havering Park to Colliers Row, so you are really just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Is there not space simply to extend the 62 anyway? Maybe take out a few parking bays. As you say if you take away parking bays the job is done, issue is then you get to another case where people won't be happy as you've removed parking bays. That said it is annoying how close the 62 gets to Collier Row, but effectively terminates in the middle of nowhere. I still do think that my suggestion of sending the 368 to Marks Gate and rerouting the 62 down London Road to Romford would do good to help the 86, and give people deeper in Becontree a link to Romford. The 62 did, once upon a time, go to Collier Row
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 9, 2024 17:06:19 GMT
By rerouting the 252 you sever local links from Mawney Road and parts of Havering Park to Colliers Row, so you are really just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Is there not space simply to extend the 62 anyway? Maybe take out a few parking bays. You could also reroute the 365 via the 294’s LOR, then extend the 252 to Havering Park via the 365. this is all starting to get a bit complicated.
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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2024 6:20:38 GMT
By rerouting the 252 you sever local links from Mawney Road and parts of Havering Park to Colliers Row, so you are really just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Is there not space simply to extend the 62 anyway? Maybe take out a few parking bays. You could also reroute the 365 via the 294’s LOR, then extend the 252 to Havering Park via the 365. That sounds like the best idea to me and extend the 62 to Collier Row, as you mentioned there is excess capacity on the 247/294 common section.
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Post by 6HP502C on May 10, 2024 8:42:19 GMT
63/363 could be merged but im guessing there split due to traffic reason ill edit this when i can think of some more The combined frequency of the two routes is very much needed to serve the section between Peckham and Old Kent Road in peak times. Merging would result in overbussing, which equates to a waste of money. When route changes are proposed, it’s not a simple case of looking at a map and moving things about - the analysis has to take passenger numbers, political objectives and appropriate use of funding into account. Many of the proposals in this thread would cause more problems than they would solve in reality. A good starting point is to identify what problem there is to be solved with a route change.
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