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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2008 17:55:28 GMT
I can't see how it's any else's fault but the drivers??? Bob, what you're saying is that if any bus gets de-roofed then it's the bus companies, TfL, DVLA or any other bodies fault other than the drivers?? What you are basically saying is that the buses should work like the railways where if there is an incident it's never the drivers fault but the companies involved, which isn't always the case. I'm not a driver, so i can't comment on how it feels to be doing a divertion with bridges, but as a driver i know i have a responsibility for people in my car and to be aware of other road users. I'm sorry, but even the police would look at this kind of thing as driver error unless there was a mechanical fault I think you are all completely missing the issue. It is not about apportioning blame it is about risk management and mitigation and improving passenger safety. The bus industry used to have an excelent safety record but in the last ten to 15 years there has been a very marked decline in safety The facts are that for whatever reason deroofing of buses is becoming common. One can find a report of a bus being deroofed almost every week. It is also something that can be pretty much eliminated at relatively low cost by implementing appropriate safety measures
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2008 19:32:24 GMT
It is also something that can be pretty much eliminated at relatively low cost by implementing appropriate safety measures Here we are again. Please for the less informed among us could you expand on what these "appropriate safety measures" are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2008 5:23:08 GMT
It is also something that can be pretty much eliminated at relatively low cost by implementing appropriate safety measures Here we are again. Please for the less informed among us could you expand on what these "appropriate safety measures" are. I think your post and that of theirs on this forum explains to quite an extent as to why safety standard in the bus industry have fallen so significantly in the last 10 to 15 years. You and other posters on here say in effect you are happy for these accidents to continue and for people to continue to be killed and injured in these types of accidents and that is much better then implementing safety measures. I also see many posters on here happily claiming they break the driving hours regulations and the health and safety elements of the EU working time directive. I suspect now that the industry will not put is own house in order and that it was time that a big clamp down was made on the bus companies lack of adherence to safety regulations. Things will have to change safety cannot continue to be compromised by the cavalier attitude to safety by both bus companies and staff. .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2008 6:56:22 GMT
Incorrect. You keep banging on about 'safety measures', yet so far seem unable specify what these are. Nothing in my posts on the matter allude to me having a cavalier approach to safety, re-read and you see my procedure if I have to go off-route.
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Post by lc1 on Apr 24, 2008 11:03:11 GMT
I also see many posters on here happily claiming they break the driving hours regulations and the health and safety elements of the EU working time directive. Two points. 1) I must have missed those posts as I don't recall reading them. 2) Most bus drivers on here don't come under the EU rules, but come under domestic rules consequently driving hours and working time directives are different. I personally know a few drivers who post on here and can say 100% they don't have a cavalier (great word eightpot) attitude to safety not only of themselves but also their passengers. As eightpot said please tell us what safety measures you would put in place?
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Post by john on Apr 25, 2008 13:18:13 GMT
Here we are again. Please for the less informed among us could you expand on what these "appropriate safety measures" are. I also see many posters on here happily claiming they break the driving hours regulations and the health and safety elements of the EU working time directive. . Erm, where on earth did i say that i was happy for safety to go out of the window?? You need to be realistic, which modern day politicians and companies don't seem to be. I use the bus everyday so i don't want some slapstick approach to drivers doing their job, I get enough of that from some of my mates driving. So, instead of banging on about how things should change and more safety measures being brought in, how about you actual mention or explain what you think should be done.
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Post by vjaska on May 5, 2008 0:28:51 GMT
By the way, the instructor did get the sack and the trainnee kept his job.
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Post by greeny253 on May 5, 2008 8:52:08 GMT
I just want to back up lc1 on something here - bus drivers are subject to domestic driving regulations, meaning that we can work 13 out of 14 days every fortnight if we want as long as we have 1 day off in said fortnight and a minimum 30 minute break in a shift. Other than that the only drivers currently regulated by the EU driving hours are lorry drivers...
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