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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2008 22:18:00 GMT
I thought Arriva's preference for DAF was something to do with them having a lot of operations in Europe or something along those lines? Arriva Bus & Coach are the VDL dealers in the UK - so if you do not buy your own buses - what does that say about them to the competition
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 24, 2008 22:30:16 GMT
I guess also other London firms wouldn't have felt comfortable buying products from their competitor. If for instance you boarded a First bus and the chassis panel said in big letters 'Supplied by ARRIVA Bus & Coach' it might look odd to them... Plus the fact that the DAFs were crap... They are just modern Metrobuses after all ;D With the new Wright Integral, VDL are no longer just using Arriva Bus & Coach (according to Buses mag) and are marketing their stuff thru Wrightbus, so perhaps other operators will buy their products in due time... Saying that, the new Integral will have the same Cummins engine as an Enviro 400... I'm a little tired and rambling so I'll shut up now ;D
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Post by M1104 on Jun 25, 2008 1:32:39 GMT
I guess also other London firms wouldn't have felt comfortable buying products from their competitor. If for instance you boarded a First bus and the chassis panel said in big letters 'Supplied by ARRIVA Bus & Coach' it might look odd to them... Plus the fact that the DAFs were crap... They are just modern Metrobuses after all ;D With the new Wright Integral, VDL are no longer just using Arriva Bus & Coach (according to Buses mag) and are marketing their stuff thru Wrightbus, so perhaps other operators will buy their products in due time... Saying that, the new Integral will have the same Cummins engine as an Enviro 400... I'm a little tired and rambling so I'll shut up now ;D Will be interesting to see what the rear lower deck window will look like. From the outside rear, it should look like a Wrightbus on a Trident chassis (which of course doesn't exist).
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Post by Volvo on Jun 25, 2008 1:53:58 GMT
I thought lolyne, viking, lowlander names were based on the chassis not the body. e.g I first thought that the buses on the 388 were trident vikings due to me thinking that was what the body was but in actual fact they are trident lolyne, as for the 'lolyne' that first have again I thought it was volvo lolyne due to the shape but it is infact a volvo viking. Lolynes are tridents no matter what the body is, vikings are volvo no matter what the body is and Lowlanders are DAF/VDLs no matter what the body is.
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Post by Volvo on Jun 25, 2008 1:56:16 GMT
I guess also other London firms wouldn't have felt comfortable buying products from their competitor. If for instance you boarded a First bus and the chassis panel said in big letters 'Supplied by ARRIVA Bus & Coach' it might look odd to them... Plus the fact that the DAFs were crap... They are just modern Metrobuses after all ;D With the new Wright Integral, VDL are no longer just using Arriva Bus & Coach (according to Buses mag) and are marketing their stuff thru Wrightbus, so perhaps other operators will buy their products in due time... Saying that, the new Integral will have the same Cummins engine as an Enviro 400... I'm a little tired and rambling so I'll shut up now ;D I do not see how it can be a wright integral if it has a trident engine, I thought integral mean 'own'. That so called wright integral is really a wright trident for the first time.
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Post by Volvo on Jun 25, 2008 1:57:50 GMT
Also what is wrong with DAFs, I mean the euro2 wones are pile of s*** but as for the euro3 ones they are actually good buses.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2008 6:55:32 GMT
A Cummins engine is not a Trident engine, it just happens to be a power unit offered for the Trident.
Did the Euro 3 Darts and Cadets not share the same engines and transmissions?
So what do you call Optare products - these all use 3rd party engines?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2008 9:11:02 GMT
Integral usually means that the body and chassis are integrated.
The RM was integral as it didn't have a chassis - but the A and B frames were put together during overhaul so body separation was possible.
Modern buses have taken a backward step in weight saving (and in many other ways) from the RM as the RM used the body to hold the weight whilst modern buses have a heavy chassis and a very heavy body.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 25, 2008 12:35:49 GMT
All DAFs are good except TH's very elderly ones (DLA2-DLA64).
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Post by Volvo on Jun 25, 2008 14:07:25 GMT
A Cummins engine is not a Trident engine, it just happens to be a power unit offered for the Trident. Did the Euro 3 Darts and Cadets not share the same engines and transmissions? So what do you call Optare products - these all use 3rd party engines? oh right , i do know they use cummins engines in other vehicles such as DAF/VDL sb200s and more.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2008 14:17:41 GMT
Integral usually means that the body and chassis are integrated. The RM was integral as it didn't have a chassis - but the A and B frames were put together during overhaul so body separation was possible. Modern buses have taken a backward step in weight saving (and in many other ways) from the RM as the RM used the body to hold the weight whilst modern buses have a heavy chassis and a very heavy body. Well just British buses really. There are plenty integral examples afloat, namely the Citaro range, MAN Lion's City (I think) and Neoplan city buses.
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Post by john on Jun 25, 2008 14:45:44 GMT
A Cummins engine is not a Trident engine, it just happens to be a power unit offered for the Trident. Did the Euro 3 Darts and Cadets not share the same engines and transmissions? So what do you call Optare products - these all use 3rd party engines? I think so, but saying that, there is a very slightly different pitch in the engine between the SB120 and Dart. Best way to tell the difference is by riding on either 3971/2/3 from Arriva GY on the 256 or 498 and DP208/209 from Blue Triangle. As i say, i think you'll find a difference in sound, but only slightly p.s I say these vehicles because 3971/2/3 are 06 reg and DP208/209 are 56 reg, so are very similar in age
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Post by Volvo on Jun 25, 2008 15:25:07 GMT
That is true cadets do sound different to me, I think the best sounding darts are ARRIVAs LJ51DCZ-DDF, London generals SN51UA*, ex -connex/travel london YT51DZ*/UA*.
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Post by john on Jun 25, 2008 23:05:28 GMT
That is true cadets do sound different to me, I think the best sounding darts are ARRIVAs LJ51DCZ-DDF, London generals SN51UA*, ex -connex/travel london YT51DZ*/UA*. Nah, it's got to be ELBG's ALX200's in the Y/51 batch. As said before, they have a very deep sound. Although, i also noticed that Arriva's new E400's at GY also have this too
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Post by Volvo on Jun 26, 2008 0:44:55 GMT
A Cummins engine is not a Trident engine, it just happens to be a power unit offered for the Trident. Did the Euro 3 Darts and Cadets not share the same engines and transmissions? So what do you call Optare products - these all use 3rd party engines? I think so, but saying that, there is a very slightly different pitch in the engine between the SB120 and Dart. Best way to tell the difference is by riding on either 3971/2/3 from Arriva GY on the 256 or 498 and DP208/209 from Blue Triangle. As i say, i think you'll find a difference in sound, but only slightly p.s I say these vehicles because 3971/2/3 are 06 reg and DP208/209 are 56 reg, so are very similar in age John arent those 56 reg pointers euro4 engined, as the arriva london LJ56AO*/AP*/AR*/AS* batch for the 450 and the two arriva shires ones SN56AXG/H are all euro4 the only euro4 pointer darts I know of.
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