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Post by DT 11 on Oct 23, 2019 4:31:11 GMT
HV40 & HV42 WN > DT
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Post by Max B on Oct 23, 2019 8:20:52 GMT
LT324 AE > AR.
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Post by george on Oct 23, 2019 8:54:38 GMT
SP40031 SO>TV
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 23, 2019 9:54:08 GMT
HV41 SF > DT
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Post by rif153 on Oct 23, 2019 9:59:09 GMT
DEM1343 HT>PB Since 21st October
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Post by rif153 on Oct 23, 2019 14:32:02 GMT
DE1586 PA>ON
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Post by rif153 on Oct 23, 2019 14:43:40 GMT
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Post by E279 on Oct 23, 2019 14:45:08 GMT
Definitely a change of plan for the 90/297, I recon the 297/90 will receive VWs instead of VMHs.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 23, 2019 14:48:29 GMT
Definitely a change of plan for the 90/297, I recon the 297/90 will receive VWs instead of VMHs. I think that's probably the case too. I'm in despair that PA have some of the nasty 10-reg VWs, which are really knackered and sluggish. Perhaps these VWs are just there to push out some SELs in the short term though, as Metroline have upgraded very few (if any) ex-First buses to EuroVI, suggesting they're looking to get rid of as many as they can.
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Post by E279 on Oct 23, 2019 14:52:06 GMT
Definitely a change of plan for the 90/297, I recon the 297/90 will receive VWs instead of VMHs. I think that's probably the case too. I'm in despair that PA have some of the nasty 10-reg VWs, which are really knackered and sluggish. Perhaps these VWs are just there to push out some SELs in the short term though, as Metroline have upgraded very few (if any) ex-First buses to EuroVI, suggesting they're looking to get rid of as many as they can. I can see the Ex First ones being allocated to the 297 on paper so they'll go when its contract extension is up whilst the VWs (Metroline 11 reg) will most likely be allocated to the 90.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 23, 2019 16:38:04 GMT
Definitely a change of plan for the 90/297, I recon the 297/90 will receive VWs instead of VMHs. I think that's probably the case too. I'm in despair that PA have some of the nasty 10-reg VWs, which are really knackered and sluggish. Perhaps these VWs are just there to push out some SELs in the short term though, as Metroline have upgraded very few (if any) ex-First buses to EuroVI, suggesting they're looking to get rid of as many as they can. I think this is more likely a short term plan, in order to withdraw the SELs sooner - as the intended reshuffle relies on the OMEs entering service. The 90 was retained on the basis of new hybrids, and should really have gained some of about 67reg, so the route ought to eventually gain some VMHs from PB. Metroline seem to have just chosen to proritise the 31 for hybrids first as a central London route.
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Post by E279 on Oct 23, 2019 16:47:31 GMT
I think that's probably the case too. I'm in despair that PA have some of the nasty 10-reg VWs, which are really knackered and sluggish. Perhaps these VWs are just there to push out some SELs in the short term though, as Metroline have upgraded very few (if any) ex-First buses to EuroVI, suggesting they're looking to get rid of as many as they can. I think this is more likely a short term plan, in order to withdraw the SELs sooner - as the intended reshuffle relies on the OMEs entering service. The 90 was retained on the basis of new hybrids, and should really have gained some of about 67reg, so the route ought to eventually gain some VMHs from PB. Metroline seem to have just chosen to proritise the 31 for hybrids first as a central London route. There are enough VMHs in service to release VMHs so I have a feeling the VMHs are going elsewhere/staying at PB. ML may use them to oust 58 reg buses at PB, just hazarding a guess.
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Post by VWH1414 on Oct 23, 2019 17:18:04 GMT
I think this is more likely a short term plan, in order to withdraw the SELs sooner - as the intended reshuffle relies on the OMEs entering service. The 90 was retained on the basis of new hybrids, and should really have gained some of about 67reg, so the route ought to eventually gain some VMHs from PB. Metroline seem to have just chosen to proritise the 31 for hybrids first as a central London route. There are enough VMHs in service to release VMHs so I have a feeling the VMHs are going elsewhere/staying at PB. ML may use them to oust 58 reg buses at PB, just hazarding a guess. Its more likely a short term plan - issues with the OMEs are currently preventing VMHs coming from PB, and they may want to get rid of these SELs much sooner. Its a bit early to just assume that they are permanently staying at PA and the VMHs aren't coming just yet - I'd wait and see first. Also the 297 was never confirmed as getting VMHs, no one ever actually knew where the final 10 were going - it was more speculated they were going to the 297, most likely that will stay VW for the long run.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 23, 2019 17:22:44 GMT
I think this is more likely a short term plan, in order to withdraw the SELs sooner - as the intended reshuffle relies on the OMEs entering service. The 90 was retained on the basis of new hybrids, and should really have gained some of about 67reg, so the route ought to eventually gain some VMHs from PB. Metroline seem to have just chosen to proritise the 31 for hybrids first as a central London route. There are enough VMHs in service to release VMHs so I have a feeling the VMHs are going elsewhere/staying at PB. ML may use them to oust 58 reg buses at PB, just hazarding a guess. Its possible that the 34's VWHs could just remain at PB for the 125's extension, and the 317 - thus releasing the VMHs to go to PA. I think it would make more sense to keep the VWHs on, as PB already have plenty of them, rather than keeping a small minority of VMHs at PB, but either way I guess it doesn't matter. The 90 could easily still be going to VMH operation, but its just the 31 has taken priority.
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Post by VWH1414 on Oct 23, 2019 17:22:58 GMT
Definitely a change of plan for the 90/297, I recon the 297/90 will receive VWs instead of VMHs. I think that's probably the case too. I'm in despair that PA have some of the nasty 10-reg VWs, which are really knackered and sluggish. Perhaps these VWs are just there to push out some SELs in the short term though, as Metroline have upgraded very few (if any) ex-First buses to EuroVI, suggesting they're looking to get rid of as many as they can. The only ex First Buses that appear to be upgraded are the older (and most likely owned) DEs, such as the 16xx batch. Pretty sure I saw DE1603 earlier with the "Cleaner air" stickers. Whilst we're on the topic of ex First buses, it seems a majority of the ex First ones after 2009 are leased, whereas pre 2009 are not leased (Though I think TP446 said the 18xx 10 reg are actually owned too), which would explain why only the older ex First buses seem to have stayed and a lot of the newer DEs (The 19xx DEs that TT just bought ex Metroline being an example) have gone off lease.
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