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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 16:34:18 GMT
Errr......where did I suggest that 'drunks' should take their car? Perhaps they should either, drink less and be capable of meeting the criteria (and/or have sufficient funds for a mini-cab), or get one of their party to refrain for that evening and do the driving. Works for me! Is it a prerequisite of having an enjoyable 'social' evening that you HAVE to become so intoxicated that you become a danger to yourself and a nuisance to everyone around you? You did not explicitly state that but people leave their cars at home knowing they can get bus home. If you ban them from using buses, they are more likely to drive in and drive out - thus a policy to increase drunken driving. It is all right you getting on you moral horse saying things work for you, but just go out to any town centre on a Friday/Saturday evening - unfortunately not everyone shares your moral high ground. I live in the opposite direction to most of my mates, so on the occasions I go out for a drink, ease of public transport links home is a big factor. One of The Department of Transport s recommendations against drink driving is use public transport www.dft.gov.uk/think/focusareas/driving/drinkdriving?page=Advice&whoareyou_id=What a strange outlook! it's nothing to do with 'taking the moral high ground'. It's down to the individual taking personal responsibility for his actions. I am a smoker, but I have to accept that if I want to go into a pub I cannot smoke, for the 'benefit' of the majority. This, in simple terms, means I have to go outside, regardless of the weather, to satisfy my 'craving'. Same applies on the bus/tube home, I am not allowed to smoke, so I don't. Smoking (although addictive) is and was MY choice, so I have to suffer the consequences. Same with alcohol, if I CHOSE to drink such an amount that will make me unsafe to other road users, I do NOT take my car. I always have the CHOICE in the matter. If you want to get wrecked, fine by me. Just don't expect me to have to put up with any effects it may have on you becase you have CHOSEN to do so. I do not try and shift my failure to be willing and able to make my personal CHOICE onto others, as you seem to wish to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 16:45:00 GMT
You did not explicitly state that but people leave their cars at home knowing they can get bus home. If you ban them from using buses, they are more likely to drive in and drive out - thus a policy to increase drunken driving. It is all right you getting on you moral horse saying things work for you, but just go out to any town centre on a Friday/Saturday evening - unfortunately not everyone shares your moral high ground. I live in the opposite direction to most of my mates, so on the occasions I go out for a drink, ease of public transport links home is a big factor. One of The Department of Transport s recommendations against drink driving is use public transport www.dft.gov.uk/think/focusareas/driving/drinkdriving?page=Advice&whoareyou_id=I can actually see Bighat's point though. I have a number of.....associates (and i use that term loosely) who get so drunk they can just about stand up!!! If i was say lc1 on the N89 and saw them, i'd leave them there lol. However, you do get your, should i say, average joe drunk, who can still manage to tell right from wrong, in which case the night bus is the ideal option as i wouldn't, and don't, trust anything other than black cabs and buses Exactly, this comes into the category of being 'merry', and no threat or problem to other passengers, nor the driver! I was not trying to suggest that anyone wanting to board a bus be expected to pass a 'breath test' or anything as draconian. I was attempting to draw the line at those who become offensively drunk on a regular basis, and make the journey home by public transport a menance and nuisance to both the driver AND his passengers. What I was suggesting is that by more positive and proactive policing in such circumstances, and this would start with the DRIVER making the first call, a safer and more comfortable experience would result for everyone else. Frankly, I am sure most drivers dread this kind of situation, it has been said on this forum often enough by many of them. All I am sugesting is that THEY get the back up and support which they both deserve and need. Again, apparently response times are pi$$ poor at the moment, how long before a driver, or one of his passengers get seriously injured or even killed by one of these 'lager louts' (for want of a better expression) just because they seem to think they have the inalienable 'right' to go out and get themselves fighting drunk, and then expect that there be transport available to get them home again? If you can't hold your ale, drink sensibly. Your 'manhood' will not suffer as a result. If it does, change your friends, or chose a pub nearer home!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2009 19:20:31 GMT
Perhaps they should either, drink less and be capable of meeting the criteria (and/or have sufficient funds for a mini-cab), or get one of their party to refrain for that evening and do the driving. Or get drunk at a local and not the other side of town. But I totally disagree with your assessment of iBus, though. Having experienced it for quite a while now it works perfectly 99% of the time. For every problem posted on here there will have been hundreds of bus journeys made at the same time without issue. The only persistent problem I have encountered is that the 417 when leaving Crystal Palace Bus Station announces itself as being "to Crystal Palace", this is corrected after the first stop though. Ignoring that I can only think of about half a dozen times it has not worked. And as someone who does travel all around London I have experienced on various routes. I have also found it very useful when going somewhere I am not familiar with. Not all bus users are locals who know every stop on every route. Although people on here seem to have an issue with the bus stops being named after nearest side streets, those are same details that have always appeared on bus stops, timetables, spider maps, and the journey planner. They also allow you to cross reference them with an A-Z, something that you usually cannot do with more colloquial names that some would rather see. Before iBus when going someone new I often had to wait until I passed my destination and get off at the following stop and walk back. Even knowing the name of the stop I need, the bus has to pass it before you can read it on the sign, you cannot see far enough in advance to press the bell. So for me as passenger it has made the bus network a lot easier to use. And it should also be remembered that iBus is more than just a bus stop notification system for passengers. It is a replacement for the outdated beacon system used by controllers that ideally needed replacing anyway. So you cannot consider whether the cost is worth it just for the bus stop notifications alone.
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Post by lc1 on Jan 19, 2009 20:45:36 GMT
I agree with the poster someone AND it does assist Centrecomm with identifying where we are as they tell us now what location we are at.
As for john's comment about his friends, I would pick them up in the hope they leave the contents of thier stomach on the bus ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 21:34:14 GMT
I think ibus is useful especially when you are exploring new areas
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2009 8:35:51 GMT
However it can go faulty
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 19:26:12 GMT
iBus is so good it taught me something today.
I never knew that the King's Cross stations are supposed to be spelt with an apostrophe, unlike the area of London which is just Kings Cross. I thought it looked odd on the iBus display of the 59 but it turns out it was right. Somehow despite having lived in Yorkshire and regularly commuted through there I never noticed that before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 23:28:22 GMT
Decided to go right round the hail and ride section on the 366 today.
After departing Redbridge, display showed 'Falmouth Gardens', which it duly announced at the (only) bus stop on the hail and ride section, halfway along Falmouth Gardens.
Leaving the stop, it showed and announced it was a 366 to Beckton Station, then displayed 'Roding Lane South', where it now terminates. The terminus is marked on the road as a bus stop, has a position for a shelter (but no shelter OR bus stop).
Announces it is a 366 to Beckton Station (as the driver sets the blind to East Beckton Asda), and as we depart after layover, display Redbridge Station.
All displays coincide with the bus stop information, even the incorrect 'The Cranbrook' at Coventry Road stops in Cranbrook Road. The former pub IS going to remain as licensed premises, and will be reopening as a bar/night club (not ANOTHER one) called 'Potion'.
Alighted at Ilford, but on my return journey, iBus was inopperable and only displayed two orange dots.
The first ALX200 I saw with iBus last week had the display box mounted on the rear of the bulkhead behind the driver (the original 'bus stopping' display having been removed.
BOTH of todays ALX200's had the iBus display mounted on the ceiling of the vehicle, and the 'bus stopping' display on the bulkhead operating AS well as the iBus displaying the same information.
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Post by john on Feb 18, 2009 23:51:15 GMT
Decided to go right round the hail and ride section on the 366 today. After departing Redbridge, display showed 'Falmouth Gardens', which it duly announced at the (only) bus stop on the hail and ride section, halfway along Falmouth Gardens. Leaving the stop, it showed and announced it was a 366 to Beckton Station, then displayed 'Roding Lane South', where it now terminates. The terminus is marked on the road as a bus stop, has a position for a shelter (but no shelter OR bus stop). Announces it is a 366 to Beckton Station (as the driver sets the blind to East Beckton Asda), and as we depart after layover, display Redbridge Station. All displays coincide with the bus stop information, even the incorrect 'The Cranbrook' at Coventry Road stops in Cranbrook Road. The former pub IS going to remain as licensed premises, and will be reopening as a bar/night club (not ANOTHER one) called 'Potion'. Alighted at Ilford, but on my return journey, iBus was inopperable and only displayed two orange dots. The first ALX200 I saw with iBus last week had the display box mounted on the rear of the bulkhead behind the driver (the original 'bus stopping' display having been removed. BOTH of todays ALX200's had the iBus display mounted on the ceiling of the vehicle, and the 'bus stopping' display on the bulkhead operating AS well as the iBus displaying the same information. On a personal note, i think the iBus screen being located on the ceiling is a far better position on single deckers than behind on the driver. Obviously this would be impossible to achieve on double deckers considering the amount of space between the roof and people's head's, well, men mostly.
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Post by metrobusfan on Feb 19, 2009 17:07:51 GMT
IBus is ok when it works or the driver wants to put it on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2009 17:45:45 GMT
IBus is ok when it works or the driver wants to put it on Errr......so does the radio in my car, but your comment doesn't really ADD much to the debate!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2009 21:50:30 GMT
I personally find iBus very helpful - it is about time people can locate bus stops more accurately. In the old days it was extremely easy to get off the bus one stop too early or too late, and although bus stops are not placed too far apart, one could end up walking for a good 3-5 minutes, which can be quite significant when one is in a hurry.
And it is also about time that people find non-local bus travelling not so daunting an experience, and this hopefully could reduce the wasted mileage of the average car driver getting lost, and reduce general car mileage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 23:48:48 GMT
The information may be helpful to tourists but are the announcements really necessary? I use a bus twice a day, 5 days a week, it costs me £500 a year and to have an announcement every 30 seconds telling me what bus I am on and where I'm going drives me mad.
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Post by john on Feb 24, 2009 0:15:57 GMT
The information may be helpful to tourists but are the announcements really necessary? I use a bus twice a day, 5 days a week, it costs me £500 a year and to have an announcement every 30 seconds telling me what bus I am on and where I'm going drives me mad. Well, i must admit that it helped me out on Friday when i was on the 242 going to Tottenham Court Road. I forgot that they were on diversion, although the iBus still displayed the name of the next stop However, when it came to Tottenham Court Road Station, i was rather grateful to know that i was coming up to it. Also when i was on the 3 going to Westminster, it helped to know that i was coming up to Parliament Square. It's not the fact that i don't know where something is, but more of the location of the stop that i require, in which it helped
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 0:55:08 GMT
The information may be helpful to tourists but are the announcements really necessary? I use a bus twice a day, 5 days a week, it costs me £500 a year and to have an announcement every 30 seconds telling me what bus I am on and where I'm going drives me mad. You must travel on the quietest bus routes in London then as between all the countless conversations, traffic noises, and everything else iBus just fades in the background noise unless I specifically listen out for it. People on their phones are far more annoying. That said, I still do not see the point of the constant "Nine Nine Nine <pause> to </pause> Police Station" announcements.
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