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Post by jamaal on May 17, 2009 9:17:17 GMT
Yes mate i did happen to contact Metroline about this, and you may have noticed the DPs from Brentford are moving to W with DP1002 being the latest, Harrow Weald will be the garage to recieve all its repaints first the the 52 Reg VPs will be done this year then next year the 04 Reg VPs and the 03 VPs, and this summer we may see another transfer of VPs from Willesden to Harrow Weald and Holloway.... more news to come soon
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2009 13:06:13 GMT
Yes mate i did happen to contact Metroline about this, and you may have noticed the DPs from Brentford are moving to W with DP1002 being the latest, Harrow Weald will be the garage to recieve all its repaints first the the 52 Reg VPs will be done this year then next year the 04 Reg VPs and the 03 VPs, and this summer we may see another transfer of VPs from Willesden to Harrow Weald and Holloway.... more news to come soon I see... Some of those ex-Brentford DPs have been at W for at least a month now; Linus and I have noted a few of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 11:04:59 GMT
As some of you may know, NW garage closed (on Friday 29th I think), with the 206 and 232 moving to PV, and the 251 moving to W. The result of this was that the 232 is now operated using the former 251's MMs, and the 251 has gone back to Darts; now that wouldn't be a problem normally but for me it is such a step down. Darts don't provide a good ride for me in my opinion when compared to the MAN/MCV On the other hand it makes economic and engineering sense. PV already have the 90 which uses MMs, and the addition of the 206/232, coupled with the conversion of the 232 to MM, means that PV get a full 'MAN/MCV' single-deck fleet. This makes it easier for the engineers there as they won't have to work on two different types of single decker. Similarly, the 316 at W is already operated with Darts, so again bringing in more Darts for the 251 makes sense as then the engineers don't need to work on both the Darts and the MANs. According to London Bus Routes (Service Changes) the fixture of Darts on the 251 is temporary, as later on the new E200s that were due for the 232 will be delivered and put on the 251 out of W, so it's not all too bad I presume Metroline came to an agreement with TfL whereby the 232 would be operated with existing single-deckers instead of brand new ones. In any case the MMs now on the 232 are nearly new anyway.
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Post by ServerKing on May 31, 2009 17:03:20 GMT
I do like these MM's, It's nice to see them on the 232 Some of those Darts that were on the 232 seemed so tired I don't know why they don't use the Darts from Brentford (the 02-reg ones) on the 251
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Post by jamaal on May 31, 2009 18:15:36 GMT
eventually they will start to use the 02 Darts on the 232 mate, but they have to wait for the E400s and E200s to commence service at Brentford. and the Future of the DPs at Perivale West is not very clear as newer buses are being released from Routes that are gaining new buses like the E2 and E8.
and just a news recap not very significant but SEL 805 over at PV has recieved tinted windows i will do a full news update on all companies in June
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 18:19:45 GMT
That doesn't make sense If they start using 02 reg Darts on the 232 instead then what happens to the MMs? Also as I stated earlier, the allocation of more MMs to PV will mean that PV's engineers won't have to work on two single-deck types - surely if Darts end up on the 232 again then this advantage is removed? eventually they will start to use the 02 Darts on the 232 mate, but they have to wait for the E400s and E200s to commence service at Brentford. and the Future of the DPs at Perivale West is not very clear as newer buses are being released from Routes that are gaining new buses like the E2 and E8. and just a news recap not very significant but SEL 805 over at PV has recieved tinted windows i will do a full news update on all companies in June
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Post by TA1 on May 31, 2009 20:11:47 GMT
Personally, Thats A Good Move if the 232 Keeps The MM's that are current personally can improve realiability on the route and also as insert stated it will be an advanage to PV's Engineers, but wouldnt it be a disadvantage if The 251 gets E200's and the 316 doesn't.
Are E200's and E400's Similar in engineering terms.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 23:21:22 GMT
The 316 is also due to recieve E200s but a month later than those for the 251. (Should have mentioned that in my earlier post) Personally, Thats A Good Move if the 232 Keeps The MM's that are current personally can improve realiability on the route and also as insert stated it will be an advanage to PV's Engineers, but wouldnt it be a disadvantage if The 251 gets E200's and the 316 doesn't. Are E200's and E400's Similar in engineering terms.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 1, 2009 0:15:42 GMT
Hold on, isn't the 02 reg Darts ex Armchair because if so I would expect them to be leased though I could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 0:44:30 GMT
They are indeed ex-Armchair. Whether they're leased or not I don't know. Hold on, isn't the 02 reg Darts ex Armchair because if so I would expect them to be leased though I could be wrong.
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 1, 2009 5:55:25 GMT
They are indeed ex-Armchair. Whether they're leased or not I don't know. Hold on, isn't the 02 reg Darts ex Armchair because if so I would expect them to be leased though I could be wrong. I think they arrived around the same time as the DT's that used to be on the 237 (I know the latter returned to Dawsonrentals)... I read on Londonbusroutes that now the E8 will use existing vehicles. I imagine it's the newer DM's at Brentford, seeing as the E2 is getting E400's / TP's
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 8:31:48 GMT
Actually the DTs arrived a little bit later (around January 2003) while the DPs came during the summer of 2002. I do worry that Metroline might have used the wrong batch of paint (again) to repaint the DPs as the last time I went Ealing on a regular basis they were turning crimson The DMs are meant for the 190, and having checked LBR myself it seems the E8 is going to recieve a partial allocation of (no surprise) more new E200 Darts. I presume the rest of the allocation will be made up of the hybrid Tempos (which will now count as "existing"). Edit:Just been out and it seems the 251 is completely utilising the W-reg ex-Centra Darts; I'm really not a fan of them Although there was a T-reg DLD off the 316 on the route as well. The W-reg Darts appear to have recieved new blinds; they had the 251 previously, and would display 'Edgware Station' and 'Arnos Grove Stn'. Now all they display is 'Edgware' and 'Arnos Grove', to match the recently-departed MMs. I would have thought it would be more economical to have ordered inserts for the 251 to add to the exising 316 blinds, and vice versa, rather than all-new blinds. Especially seeing as the Darts are only going to be around on those two routes for a few months. They are indeed ex-Armchair. Whether they're leased or not I don't know. I think they arrived around the same time as the DT's that used to be on the 237 (I know the latter returned to Dawsonrentals)... I read on Londonbusroutes that now the E8 will use existing vehicles. I imagine it's the newer DM's at Brentford, seeing as the E2 is getting E400's / TP's
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Post by jamaal on Jun 1, 2009 16:29:22 GMT
Yes they are using DPs that departed from Perivale, the E8 will be using TPs from the 297, so it appears they will be coming out of storage and in regards to the DPs they arent leased or else they would have returned back to the company before the IBUS was installed and the only DTs Metroline own are DT 5 and 6 which are at Perivale East, hopefully they will enter service again, and they have recieved a fresh coat of paint.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 19:05:30 GMT
I might have to take a look at the 232 for myself, if DPs are apparently appearing on this route - still wouldn't make sense to me, after all what happens to the spare MMs? They can't disappear into thin air Yes they are using DPs that departed from Perivale, the E8 will be using TPs from the 297, so it appears they will be coming out of storage and in regards to the DPs they arent leased or else they would have returned back to the company before the IBUS was installed and the only DTs Metroline own are DT 5 and 6 which are at Perivale East, hopefully they will enter service again, and they have recieved a fresh coat of paint.
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Post by TA1 on Jun 1, 2009 19:20:08 GMT
Well I Saw At Least One Maybe Two MM's On The 232 Yesterday, MM789, It Was but i saw DP12 On The 206 leaving brentfield and joining the NCR At Stonebridge Park Heading towards PV.
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