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Mar 24, 2019 12:49:37 GMT
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Post by jordzjohn123 on Mar 24, 2019 12:49:37 GMT
So what's the long term plan for the 393 will the loaned Arriva London ENS' stay with the 393 for the whole contract? Don't Arriva London want them back? What's the plan for DELs that were originally ordered for the 393? Only guessing but possibly the 393 will convert to fully DEM using more PB examples with the 234 gaining a full DE allocation using DE's displaced from wherever the DEL's end up. I thought the 95 was a good place for the DEL's to go but I was rightfully reminded about a possible restriction that the 487 has that could affect the 95 - the 226 or 316 are probably ideal candidates. The DELs could go to AH for the 190 to replace the DMs as I don't think they'll be upgraded to Euro 6 and plus the 190 will need euro 6 upgradable vehicles for the Chiswick High Road to Kensington Green bus zone
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Mar 24, 2019 13:52:50 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Mar 24, 2019 13:52:50 GMT
Only guessing but possibly the 393 will convert to fully DEM using more PB examples with the 234 gaining a full DE allocation using DE's displaced from wherever the DEL's end up. I thought the 95 was a good place for the DEL's to go but I was rightfully reminded about a possible restriction that the 487 has that could affect the 95 - the 226 or 316 are probably ideal candidates. The DELs could go to AH for the 190 to replace the DMs as I don't think they'll be upgraded to Euro 6 and plus the 190 will need euro 6 upgradable vehicles for the Chiswick High Road to Kensington Green bus zone That would leave 5 DEL’s still to allocate - what may happen is DE’s end up there instead if the DM’s & 1 DE allocated to the 190 aren’t upgraded.
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 24, 2019 14:34:31 GMT
Only guessing but possibly the 393 will convert to fully DEM using more PB examples with the 234 gaining a full DE allocation using DE's displaced from wherever the DEL's end up. I thought the 95 was a good place for the DEL's to go but I was rightfully reminded about a possible restriction that the 487 has that could affect the 95 - the 226 or 316 are probably ideal candidates. The DELs could go to AH for the 190 to replace the DMs as I don't think they'll be upgraded to Euro 6 and plus the 190 will need euro 6 upgradable vehicles for the Chiswick High Road to Kensington Green bus zone I could instead see the 190 being allocated 09reg DEs from the 209/395, to replace the DMs and standardise the fleet. This would then mean all 09reg Metroline DEs (not ex-First examples) at AH on the 117/190. The older 58reg DEs at AH could be withdrawn as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 14:46:09 GMT
The DELs could go to AH for the 190 to replace the DMs as I don't think they'll be upgraded to Euro 6 and plus the 190 will need euro 6 upgradable vehicles for the Chiswick High Road to Kensington Green bus zone That would leave 5 DEL’s still to allocate - what may happen is DE’s end up there instead if the DM’s & 1 DE allocated to the 190 aren’t upgraded. If so those DEL could go to UX for the H13 which is acquired later on in the year
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 24, 2019 14:47:55 GMT
Looking at PVRs of existing Metroline SD routes, the 143 would perhaps be the most suitable route to gain the 19reg DELs. The main and school PVRs combined is 14 - the same as 393. And the 143 could probably do with some extra capacity.
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Post by COBO on Mar 24, 2019 14:57:32 GMT
So what's the long term plan for the 393 will the loaned Arriva London ENS' stay with the 393 for the whole contract? Don't Arriva London want them back? What's the plan for DELs that were originally ordered for the 393? Only guessing but possibly the 393 will convert to fully DEM using more PB examples with the 234 gaining a full DE allocation using DE's displaced from wherever the DEL's end up. I thought the 95 was a good place for the DEL's to go but I was rightfully reminded about a possible restriction that the 487 has that could affect the 95 - the 226 or 316 are probably ideal candidates. The DEMs from the 234 and plus the DEMs that are refurb float leaves the 393 with 13x DEMs which has a TVR of 16. The 393 will need 2 more DEM to be fully DEM. I wonder Metroline get the extra 2. Can DEs go on the 382 or 384?
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Post by COBO on Mar 24, 2019 15:45:47 GMT
@tp446 which of the ex First vehicles are owned and which ones are leased?
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Mar 24, 2019 22:33:45 GMT
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Post by jordzjohn123 on Mar 24, 2019 22:33:45 GMT
I think the DEMs that are on the 393 are going to permanently stay on the route with some more DEMs from the 234 coming in as some of the DEMs have the "HT" garage codes on them and the 234 will be fully DE operated
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 23:23:19 GMT
DEM1337-52 for Route 393?
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Post by vjaska on Mar 25, 2019 0:13:07 GMT
DEM1337-52 for Route 393? I think it's far too early to start guessing so lets just wait and see what happens
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Post by i3lu on Mar 25, 2019 3:06:32 GMT
Looking at PVRs of existing Metroline SD routes, the 143 would perhaps be the most suitable route to gain the 19reg DELs. The main and school PVRs combined is 14 - the same as 393. And the 143 could probably do with some extra capacity. Talking about extra capacity the 143 needs some TEs on it to be honest with you.. But if the 393 is going KC after 214 is gone and HT will take the 143 and run it with DLEs would be amazing.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 25, 2019 8:23:59 GMT
Sorry to be pedantic, but the route test failed using an existing 10.2m DE, not the new 10.9m version. Thereby ruling that ONLY DEM-length vehicles can be used.
It is odd that 10.2m DE failed the test, as Arriva have operated some similar ENLs on route 393 themselves. Somebody is bound to have covered this already. It's just that I entered Metroline 393 on Flickr and the only Metorline 393s that came up were examples of DEM1300s. Oh well, quite refreshing to have some work from a garage other than PB for a change (although ON had their ex-First examples). Seems very strange, considering the ENL was route tested a few years ago.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 25, 2019 8:28:12 GMT
So what's the long term plan for the 393 will the loaned Arriva London ENS' stay with the 393 for the whole contract? Don't Arriva London want them back? What's the plan for DELs that were originally ordered for the 393? The ENS's were to be withdrawn from service, apart from two to be used for refurb floats.
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Metroline
Mar 25, 2019 8:39:47 GMT
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Post by jordzjohn123 on Mar 25, 2019 8:39:47 GMT
Looking at PVRs of existing Metroline SD routes, the 143 would perhaps be the most suitable route to gain the 19reg DELs. The main and school PVRs combined is 14 - the same as 393. And the 143 could probably do with some extra capacity. Talking about extra capacity the 143 needs some TEs on it to be honest with you.. But if the 393 is going KC after 214 is gone and HT will take the 143 and run it with DLEs would be amazing. I think the 17 would be a better option to move to KC as intended after the 214 goes to GAL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 17:44:29 GMT
TE990 is currently on route 107, curtailed to "New Barnet, Great North Road". Is this a new turning point and shouldn't it be called "New Barnet, Everyman Cinema" as the previous terminus was called the Odeon before the cinema owners changed?
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