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Metroline
Mar 25, 2019 18:38:22 GMT
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 25, 2019 18:38:22 GMT
Looking at PVRs of existing Metroline SD routes, the 143 would perhaps be the most suitable route to gain the 19reg DELs. The main and school PVRs combined is 14 - the same as 393. And the 143 could probably do with some extra capacity. Talking about extra capacity the 143 needs some TEs on it to be honest with you.. But if the 393 is going KC after 214 is gone and HT will take the 143 and run it with DLEs would be amazing. Or the 143 could use DELs from W? I think there is a restriction on the 143 from using DDs in the Finchley area - this is why the 611/643 go via East End Lane instead.
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Metroline
Mar 25, 2019 19:07:44 GMT
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Post by jordzjohn123 on Mar 25, 2019 19:07:44 GMT
Talking about extra capacity the 143 needs some TEs on it to be honest with you.. But if the 393 is going KC after 214 is gone and HT will take the 143 and run it with DLEs would be amazing. Or the 143 could use DELs from W? I think there is a restriction on the 143 from using DDs in the Finchley area - this is why the 611/643 go via East End Lane instead. *East End Road not Lane
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 25, 2019 19:15:37 GMT
East End Road (throughout) was the original route for the 143, and double-deckers were used when the route ran this way.
It was when the route was converted to midibus operation that it was diverted via Finchley Central, Long Lane and Squires Lane. Double-deck journeys were retained at school times and these continued to operate via East End Road direct, displaying route number 143A (later 643). In 1996 Archway Station - East Finchley Cemetery short journeys were introduced on schooldays, these are worked by double deckers and display route 143.
Incidentally the 143 was once a much longer route than it is now - on Sundays before the War it ran through to South Croydon!
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Post by cl54 on Mar 25, 2019 19:22:34 GMT
Sad to see Metroline lose the 24 and 266/N266.
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Metroline
Mar 25, 2019 19:47:20 GMT
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Post by LT 20181 on Mar 25, 2019 19:47:20 GMT
Sad to see Metroline lose the 24 and 266/N266. I wonder how many bidders there were for the 24 this time round, given its “pass the parcel” style history
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Post by ak121 on Mar 25, 2019 20:16:00 GMT
Sad to see Metroline lose the 24 and 266/N266. Really unfortunate losses from them, it seems that there is always losses from them in every tender they are involved in . Is there not a way for Metroline to change their tender strategy or something along those lines, because it seems that retaining routes is a massive challenge for them.
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Post by cl54 on Mar 25, 2019 21:31:36 GMT
Sad to see Metroline lose the 24 and 266/N266. Really unfortunate losses from them, it seems that there is always losses from them in every tender they are involved in . Is there not a way for Metroline to change their tender strategy or something along those lines, because it seems that retaining routes is a massive challenge for them. I think Metroline are following the same policy as Stagecoach. Bids have to be realistic and make money on the contract if successful.
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Post by redexpress on Mar 25, 2019 21:59:45 GMT
East End Road (throughout) was the original route for the 143, and double-deckers were used when the route ran this way. It was when the route was converted to midibus operation that it was diverted via Finchley Central, Long Lane and Squires Lane. Double-deck journeys were retained at school times and these continued to operate via East End Road direct, displaying route number 143A (later 643). In 1996 Archway Station - East Finchley Cemetery short journeys were introduced on schooldays, these are worked by double deckers and display route 143. Incidentally the 143 was once a much longer route than it is now - on Sundays before the War it ran through to South Croydon! There was a trial of DD operation on the full 143 route back in 2008/2009; TAs off the 210 were used on a handful of trips. I believe the idea was to convert one or two workings to DD to cope with school flows. I travelled on one of them and couldn't see any problems, but the trial threw up some objections, so no DDs on the 143, unfortunately.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 25, 2019 22:30:06 GMT
Talking about extra capacity the 143 needs some TEs on it to be honest with you.. But if the 393 is going KC after 214 is gone and HT will take the 143 and run it with DLEs would be amazing. Or the 143 could use DELs from W? I think there is a restriction on the 143 from using DDs in the Finchley area - this is why the 611/643 go via East End Lane instead. Except that would leave two DEL's unallocated as the 143's TVR is 14. The 316 could be a good candidate especially as it runs through a green corridor and would allow it's upgraded DE's to move to the 143 which is now using older DE's. This would leave the 316 majority DEL allocated with three DE's completing the allocation.
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Post by rj131 on Mar 25, 2019 22:44:42 GMT
Sad to see Metroline lose the 24 and 266/N266. I wonder how many bidders there were for the 24 this time round, given its “pass the parcel” style history Abellio (obviously), Metroline, Go-Ahead would have been interested. Slight chance TT could have, although it’s quite off route. Arriva wouldn’t have done. Probably only three to be honest. But we’ll be able to find out soon
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Post by VMH2452 on Mar 25, 2019 22:48:18 GMT
Or the 143 could use DELs from W? I think there is a restriction on the 143 from using DDs in the Finchley area - this is why the 611/643 go via East End Lane instead. Except that would leave two DEL's unallocated as the 143's TVR is 14. The 316 could be a good candidate especially as it runs through a green corridor and would allow it's upgraded DE's to move to the 143 which is now using older DE's. This would leave the 316 majority DEL allocated with three DE's completing the allocation. Or send them to the 143 and put the remaining 2 on the 112 leaving 1 DE allocated.
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Post by T.R. on Mar 25, 2019 23:38:35 GMT
From the Tender award thread, Furthermore, Metroline even have the option of reallocating route 143 or 210 back to HT and releasing even more space at W if this helps. This would make winning both route 102 & 139 feasible. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure 210 has never been allocated to HT since returning to Metroline via Thorpes?
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Post by Lewis J.N. on Mar 26, 2019 0:39:44 GMT
TE990 is currently on route 107, curtailed to "New Barnet, Great North Road". Is this a new turning point and shouldn't it be called "New Barnet, Everyman Cinema" as the previous terminus was called the Odeon before the cinema owners changed? If it is the same turning point (I don't know the area) the road name is surely better to save cost of blinds etc if the owners of the cinema change again?
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Post by redexpress on Mar 26, 2019 7:21:59 GMT
Or the 143 could use DELs from W? I think there is a restriction on the 143 from using DDs in the Finchley area - this is why the 611/643 go via East End Lane instead. Except that would leave two DEL's unallocated as the 143's TVR is 14. The 316 could be a good candidate especially as it runs through a green corridor and would allow it's upgraded DE's to move to the 143 which is now using older DE's. This would leave the 316 majority DEL allocated with three DE's completing the allocation. 143's PVR is 14. So TVR would be 15 or 16. If you're looking at londonbusroutes.net, the extra 2 buses on the 143 are listed under the school section. Not sure why, as the schedule on the TfL site lists a PVR of 14 on school holidays as well.
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Post by redexpress on Mar 26, 2019 7:23:31 GMT
From the Tender award thread, Furthermore, Metroline even have the option of reallocating route 143 or 210 back to HT and releasing even more space at W if this helps. This would make winning both route 102 & 139 feasible. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure 210 has never been allocated to HT since returning to Metroline via Thorpes? That's right, it hasn't run from HT since Grey Green won it back in 1990.
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