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Post by Hassaan on Apr 16, 2019 20:29:48 GMT
That’s worse than I had thought. I live in Heston and my grandfather lives in Southall, who I enjoy visiting regularly and I now try to avoid the route because of some of the reasons you have mentioned. The 105 is my go to route now, especially since it’s run by RATP. It was fun being on a late 120 under the old timetable though. What I can’t understand is why any bus driver would leave early. Leaving early allowing them to pick up less passengers, or because they feel there isn't enough time in the timetable? Late evening buses can still get floored, and luckily when I took the last bus about 10 days ago it wasn't early. But during the day things can be variable, and maybe I need to do your suggestion and walk to/from other nearby routes in order to bring some change (and a bit of exercise wouldn't be a bad idea for me ). I think I've ended up in a situation of "familiarity breeds contempt" combined with my opinion of public transport in general going downhill since I had to commute for a few months. I haven't had much luck with the route recently as I twice in the last week I've been regulated for 3 minutes at the stop before mine, and yesterday nearly had an argument with another passenger on a wedged bus. I had to stand all the way from Norwood Green to Bell Corner due to the holidays and that also happened under London United, but at least the ADEs and especially SPs had space to move around instead of the narrower aisles and less overall downstairs space in a VWH. Also ended up unlucky the other day on my 427, involving racism/xenophobia from a guy in a wheelchair towards an old Sikh man... another passenger quite rightly wasn't taking it 😌
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Post by jordzjohn123 on Apr 17, 2019 12:15:00 GMT
Well done to Metroline for retaining the 52 and its reciving quite a bit PVR cut from 24 to 18 and I think it will continue to use its existing VWHs although it stated 2014 vehicles, commiserations for losing the 34 going back to Arriva, the 34s VWHs can possibly stay at PB to replace older TEs and some may be needed for the 125 as it should get a PVR increase when extended to Colin dale, I was really hoping Metroline would win the 102, but I wonder where the 13reg TEHs would go to next
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Apr 17, 2019 12:19:20 GMT
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Post by WSD3 on Apr 17, 2019 12:19:20 GMT
SInce the 34 is going to Arriva. could the 271 use the VWH's
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Post by rif153 on Apr 17, 2019 12:24:01 GMT
SInce the 34 is going to Arriva. could the 271 use the VWH's Good idea, that would give HT a large batch of Mark 1 Gemini 3s and perhaps even the W7 will convert to full VWH operation so that HT have a fully ULEZ compliant fleet
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 17, 2019 12:57:23 GMT
SInce the 34 is going to Arriva. could the 271 use the VWH's Good idea, that would give HT a large batch of Mark 1 Gemini 3s and perhaps even the W7 will convert to full VWH operation so that HT have a fully ULEZ compliant fleet There's already enough 15reg VWHs at HT for the 271. These had been intended for the route when they transferred, but were previously restricted due to length. Now that the 271 regularly sees B5LHs as a part allocation, it could permanently gain the 15reg. However, the W7 could perhaps take some of the 64reg examples from PB, converting all HT routes (except for electric or LT routes) to a single type. Note that some 14reg will also be released due to the 4's cutback to Blackfriars.
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Post by COBO on Apr 17, 2019 13:57:52 GMT
Good idea, that would give HT a large batch of Mark 1 Gemini 3s and perhaps even the W7 will convert to full VWH operation so that HT have a fully ULEZ compliant fleet There's already enough 15reg VWHs at HT for the 271. These had been intended for the route when they transferred, but were previously restricted due to length. Now that the 271 regularly sees B5LHs as a part allocation, it could permanently gain the 15reg. However, the W7 could perhaps take some of the 64reg examples from PB, converting all HT routes (except for electric or LT routes) to a single type. Note that some 14reg will also be released due to the 4's cutback to Blackfriars. But TEHs from EW were intended for the 271 the VWHs / VMHs are only on the 271 temporarily until all the TEHs from EW has transferred to HT. Well that was the plan the plan could now have been changed.
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Post by COBO on Apr 17, 2019 14:04:25 GMT
So we’ve got the following that are unallocated:
60 reg TEHs from EW just in case they are not sticking to the 271 13 reg TEHs from W from route 266 64 reg VWHs from PB from route 34 14/15 reg VWHs from HT from route 43 and 271 (just in case they are not sticking to the 271) VMHs from the 43
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Post by jordzjohn123 on Apr 17, 2019 14:21:24 GMT
So we’ve got the following that are unallocated: 60 reg TEHs from EW 13 reg TEHs from W from route 266 64 reg VWHs from PB from route 34 VWHs from HT from route 43 VMHs from the 43 I would say the 60reg TEHs most probably will be withdrawn as they will be 10 years old by next year, the 13reg TEHs staying at W for the 210 withdrawing the 08/58reg TEHs with some 60reg TEs going to EW for the 107 to replace the 59reg TEs, 64reg VWHs can stay at PB replacing older TEs as I've already said, the 43s VMHs could possibly go to G for the 282 with the rest going back to the 607 and for the other vehicles I'm not so sure what Metroline will do
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 17, 2019 14:23:30 GMT
So we’ve got the following that are unallocated: 60 reg TEHs from EW just in case they are not sticking to the 271 13 reg TEHs from W from route 266 64 reg VWHs from PB from route 34 14/15 reg VWHs from HT from route 43 and 271 (just in case they are not sticking to the 271) VMHs from the 43 There's also the 62/13reg TEs from the 134 A few 14reg VWHs still at PV Some AC VWHs surplus from PVR cut to the 52 10reg ex-First VWs if these are not withdrawn Some 60reg TEs from the 266 (surplus to the 210 allocation) Could be others I have missed as well...
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Post by COBO on Apr 17, 2019 14:24:14 GMT
So we’ve got the following that are unallocated: 60 reg TEHs from EW 13 reg TEHs from W from route 266 64 reg VWHs from PB from route 34 VWHs from HT from route 43 VMHs from the 43 I would say the 60reg TEHs most probably will be withdrawn as they will be 10 years old by next year, the 13reg TEHs staying at W for the 210 withdrawing the 08/58reg TEHs with some 60reg TEs going to EW for the 107 to replace the 59reg TEs, 64reg VWHs can stay at PB replacing older TEs as I've already said, the 43s VMHs could possibly go to G for the 282 with the rest going back to the 607 and for the other vehicles I'm not so sure what Metroline will do Been 10 years old doesn’t stop buses from being retained for another 5 to 7 years again. And the 60 reg TEHs are Hybrids.
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Apr 17, 2019 14:26:47 GMT
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 17, 2019 14:26:47 GMT
There's already enough 15reg VWHs at HT for the 271. These had been intended for the route when they transferred, but were previously restricted due to length. Now that the 271 regularly sees B5LHs as a part allocation, it could permanently gain the 15reg. However, the W7 could perhaps take some of the 64reg examples from PB, converting all HT routes (except for electric or LT routes) to a single type. Note that some 14reg will also be released due to the 4's cutback to Blackfriars. But TEHs from EW were intended for the 271 the VWHs / VMHs are only on the 271 temporarily until all the TEHs from EW has transferred to HT. Well that was the plan the plan could now have been changed. The TEHs on the 271 were a later plan, after potential length restrictions with B5LHs. After 14/15reg VWHs transferred to HT for the 4 and 17, further 15reg continued to transfer to HT. These were earmarked for the 271 pending the Highgate stand issues being fixed, but it now seems there is no problem with VWHs using the stand.
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Post by COBO on Apr 17, 2019 14:27:26 GMT
So we’ve got the following that are unallocated: 60 reg TEHs from EW just in case they are not sticking to the 271 13 reg TEHs from W from route 266 64 reg VWHs from PB from route 34 14/15 reg VWHs from HT from route 43 and 271 (just in case they are not sticking to the 271) VMHs from the 43 There's also the 62/13reg TEs from the 134 A few 14reg VWHs still at PV Some AC VWHs surplus from PVR cut to the 52 10reg ex-First VWs if these are not withdrawn Some 60reg TEs from the 266 (surplus to the 210 allocation) Could be others I have missed as well... All of the 14 reg VWHs at PV went to HT.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 17, 2019 14:27:31 GMT
So we’ve got the following that are unallocated: 60 reg TEHs from EW 13 reg TEHs from W from route 266 64 reg VWHs from PB from route 34 VWHs from HT from route 43 VMHs from the 43 I would say the 60reg TEHs most probably will be withdrawn as they will be 10 years old by next year, the 13reg TEHs staying at W for the 210 withdrawing the 08/58reg TEHs with some 60reg TEs going to EW for the 107 to replace the 59reg TEs, 64reg VWHs can stay at PB replacing older TEs as I've already said, the 43s VMHs could possibly go to G for the 282 with the rest going back to the 607 and for the other vehicles I'm not so sure what Metroline will do Arriva have retained routes using 12-13 year old buses so the 60 reg TEH's would unlikely be withdrawn unless they were leased.
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Apr 17, 2019 14:29:20 GMT
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Post by jordzjohn123 on Apr 17, 2019 14:29:20 GMT
I would say the 60reg TEHs most probably will be withdrawn as they will be 10 years old by next year, the 13reg TEHs staying at W for the 210 withdrawing the 08/58reg TEHs with some 60reg TEs going to EW for the 107 to replace the 59reg TEs, 64reg VWHs can stay at PB replacing older TEs as I've already said, the 43s VMHs could possibly go to G for the 282 with the rest going back to the 607 and for the other vehicles I'm not so sure what Metroline will do Been 10 years old doesn’t stop buses from being retained for another 5 to 7 years again. And the 60 reg TEHs are Hybrids. Well where else can they go? Nobody what Metroline will plan to do at this moment of time
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 17, 2019 14:29:31 GMT
I would say the 60reg TEHs most probably will be withdrawn as they will be 10 years old by next year, the 13reg TEHs staying at W for the 210 withdrawing the 08/58reg TEHs with some 60reg TEs going to EW for the 107 to replace the 59reg TEs, 64reg VWHs can stay at PB replacing older TEs as I've already said, the 43s VMHs could possibly go to G for the 282 with the rest going back to the 607 and for the other vehicles I'm not so sure what Metroline will do Been 10 years old doesn’t stop buses from being retained for another 5 to 7 years again. And the 60 reg TEHs are Hybrids. I expect Metroline will initially withdraw the SELs and all TEs up to and including 09reg, plus possibly the 10reg ex-First VWs. Then the next oldest DDs could go depending on requirements, pending on future tender results or if any newer batches go off lease instead.
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