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Post by wirewiper on Apr 24, 2019 7:14:18 GMT
I can't imagine it either, it seems so strange there will soon be buses in London with no wing mirrors. I remember the first time I saw this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU9vXw2b5g0 video I freaked out. SmartVision is obviously what ADL are calling the use of internal monitors and will be piloted in London the 197's new MMCs but have Wright/MCV/Optare or anyone else also introduced internal monitors? Will be a nightmare if the monitors break!!! No more a nightmare than if a wing mirror gets knocked off.
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Post by Volvo on Apr 26, 2019 18:17:47 GMT
I imagine a knocked off mirror is easier and quicker to replace though.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 27, 2019 3:32:31 GMT
Furthermore, I reckon once route 34 is lost, the VWHs could move to HT, displacing TEHs and/or VMHs, thereby reducing the variety at HT. VMHs will be released anyway when the 43's BDEs are in service, and TEHs would be released if the 271 were to gain the intended VWHs. However, there will still be a few 14reg VWHs surplus to the 4, with a few more freed up by the Blackfriars curtailment - plus there's a few examples yet to transfer from PV. Perhaps these could become allocated route W7 (plus the 143D), topped up by some 64reg from the 34, reducing types at HT to a shared G3 Mk1 VWH fleet between the 4/17/271/W7. If AC does gain some 64reg VWHs, these would only be to displace the 62reg G2 VWHs, so not all from the 34 would be needed. A few may also be kept at PB for the 125 extension to Colindale (unless the frequency is reduced). Coming back to this from Easter Monday, the spare handful of Mk 1 VWHs could convert route 317. The full batch could therefore cover routes 4, 17, 125, 271, 317 & W7, once route 34 is lost. VMHs would no longer be needed at HT or PB. TEHs wouldn't be needed at HT either and could return to W to replace more TEs, and the final TAs if still there by then.
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Post by COBO on Apr 27, 2019 3:48:49 GMT
VMHs will be released anyway when the 43's BDEs are in service, and TEHs would be released if the 271 were to gain the intended VWHs. However, there will still be a few 14reg VWHs surplus to the 4, with a few more freed up by the Blackfriars curtailment - plus there's a few examples yet to transfer from PV. Perhaps these could become allocated route W7 (plus the 143D), topped up by some 64reg from the 34, reducing types at HT to a shared G3 Mk1 VWH fleet between the 4/17/271/W7. If AC does gain some 64reg VWHs, these would only be to displace the 62reg G2 VWHs, so not all from the 34 would be needed. A few may also be kept at PB for the 125 extension to Colindale (unless the frequency is reduced). Coming back to this from Easter Monday, the spare handful of Mk 1 VWHs could convert route 317. The full batch could therefore cover routes 4, 17, 125, 271, 317 & W7, once route 34 is lost. VMHs would no longer be needed at HT or PB. TEHs wouldn't be needed at HT either and could return to W to replace more TEs, and the final TAs if still there by then. Why does TEHs need to back to W? When W already have TEHs that will become spare once the 266?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 27, 2019 4:05:33 GMT
Coming back to this from Easter Monday, the spare handful of Mk 1 VWHs could convert route 317. The full batch could therefore cover routes 4, 17, 125, 271, 317 & W7, once route 34 is lost. VMHs would no longer be needed at HT or PB. TEHs wouldn't be needed at HT either and could return to W to replace more TEs, and the final TAs if still there by then. Why does TEHs need to back to W? When W already have TEHs that will become spare once the 266? I would advocate TEHs returning to W to replace more TEs + the final TAs. However, if there would still be a surplus of TEHs due to route 266 being lost (apologies for losing count here) then I would suggest these TEHs move to EW to replace more TEs + maybe hybridise routes 240 or 292 and VWs replace SELs.
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Post by COBO on Apr 27, 2019 4:32:25 GMT
Why does TEHs need to back to W? When W already have TEHs that will become spare once the 266? I would advocate TEHs returning to W to replace more TEs + the final TAs. However, if there would still be a surplus of TEHs due to route 266 being lost (apologies for losing count here) then I would suggest these TEHs move to EW to replace more TEs + maybe hybridise routes 240 or 292 and VWs replace SELs. And where would the VMHs go? Why would the TEHs need to replace the TEs at W?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 27, 2019 4:38:57 GMT
I would advocate TEHs returning to W to replace more TEs + the final TAs. However, if there would still be a surplus of TEHs due to route 266 being lost (apologies for losing count here) then I would suggest these TEHs move to EW to replace more TEs + maybe hybridise routes 240 or 292 and VWs replace SELs. And where would the VMHs go? Opportunities abound, depending on where the oldest remaining double-decks are at that stage and subsequent tenders. Route 282 if retained by Metroline would be a case in point.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 27, 2019 7:33:44 GMT
And where would the VMHs go? Opportunities abound, depending on where the oldest remaining double-decks are at that stage and subsequent tenders. Route 282 if retained by Metroline would be a case in point. PA are set to get some VMHs for the 90, I believe the 68-reg ones at HT will move over once the Cities enter service on the 43. The question then is could VMHs on the 90 displace enough VWs/VWHs for the 297. From a selfish point of view I would love VWHs and VMHs on the 297 so that we get some more interesting buses in Ealing
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Post by rif153 on Apr 27, 2019 7:43:52 GMT
Why does TEHs need to back to W? When W already have TEHs that will become spare once the 266? I would advocate TEHs returning to W to replace more TEs + the final TAs. However, if there would still be a surplus of TEHs due to route 266 being lost (apologies for losing count here) then I would suggest these TEHs move to EW to replace more TEs + maybe hybridise routes 240 or 292 and VWs replace SELs. That could easily happen. I imagine Metroline will want to try to contain all their all ADL buses at PB/HT/EW/W because the drivers there are type trained and it means they won't have to introduce new types for drivers/engineers to learn at other garages. I could see EW getting more TEHs for the 107/240/292 and then displace the VWs to other garages. I can see the 204 converting to VW operation with the TEHs moving back to EW so that ON have a standardised fleet
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Post by vjaska on Apr 27, 2019 12:05:06 GMT
Opportunities abound, depending on where the oldest remaining double-decks are at that stage and subsequent tenders. Route 282 if retained by Metroline would be a case in point. PA are set to get some VMHs for the 90, I believe the 68-reg ones at HT will move over once the Cities enter service on the 43. The question then is could VMHs on the 90 displace enough VWs/VWHs for the 297. From a selfish point of view I would love VWHs and VMHs on the 297 so that we get some more interesting buses in Ealing The 90 only has roughly 3 VW’s allocated so there certainly won’t be enough to convert the 297. I believe the 297 possibly has 1-2 VW’s as some SEL’s seem to go missing for long periods.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 12:43:50 GMT
The first day of the new 240 contract and no VWs in sight...
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 27, 2019 12:46:57 GMT
The first day of the new 240 contract and no VWs in sight... Admittedly in TLB they thought route 240 might stay TE after all. Or maybe in November it will go over to TEH cascaded from HT by VWHs ex-route 34 at PB?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 12:58:15 GMT
The first day of the new 240 contract and no VWs in sight... Admittedly in TLB they thought route 240 might stay TE after all. Or maybe in November it will go over to TEH cascaded from HT by VWHs ex-route 34 at PB? I believe the contract was awarded on the basis of Euro V vehicles (upgraded to Euro VI) being used. Although the TEs are staying at EW for the foreseeable future, I doubt they will be upgraded to such standards. Could upgraded VWs still be on the cards?
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Post by vjaska on Apr 27, 2019 13:29:29 GMT
VMHs will be released anyway when the 43's BDEs are in service, and TEHs would be released if the 271 were to gain the intended VWHs. However, there will still be a few 14reg VWHs surplus to the 4, with a few more freed up by the Blackfriars curtailment - plus there's a few examples yet to transfer from PV. Perhaps these could become allocated route W7 (plus the 143D), topped up by some 64reg from the 34, reducing types at HT to a shared G3 Mk1 VWH fleet between the 4/17/271/W7. If AC does gain some 64reg VWHs, these would only be to displace the 62reg G2 VWHs, so not all from the 34 would be needed. A few may also be kept at PB for the 125 extension to Colindale (unless the frequency is reduced). Coming back to this from Easter Monday, the spare handful of Mk 1 VWHs could convert route 317. The full batch could therefore cover routes 4, 17, 125, 271, 317 & W7, once route 34 is lost. VMHs would no longer be needed at HT or PB. TEHs wouldn't be needed at HT either and could return to W to replace more TEs, and the final TAs if still there by then. Out of the 34’s buses, some will almost certainly move onto the 125 for its extension to Colindale which would probably leave enough to convert the W7 in order for greater flexibility at HT. I still see the 317 continuing with TE’s personally.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 15:32:27 GMT
Could VMHs head to the 282, any spare there can get rid of the 2009 E400 which enters the Uxbridge Road for a small section. Would this affect the route needing complient buses?
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