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Post by george on Oct 22, 2019 17:09:28 GMT
Will be difficult for S when they get the electrics as there will be no other bus available for them to use. I'm praying S aren't forced into putting an LT on the 94 if they have no other available buses, thankfully that seems an unlikely prospect as LTs can only run on the 94 between Goldhawk Road and Piccadilly Circus - the issue is the turns in the Turnham Green area, although the 94 has no official curtailment points west of Goldhawk Road. I hope this doesn't happen but is there a possibly that the road layout could be changed? I'm just thinking that the 19 failed a test but now it's fine so maybe same could happen to the 94 or would that be too complicated.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 22, 2019 17:13:14 GMT
I'm praying S aren't forced into putting an LT on the 94 if they have no other available buses, thankfully that seems an unlikely prospect as LTs can only run on the 94 between Goldhawk Road and Piccadilly Circus - the issue is the turns in the Turnham Green area, although the 94 has no official curtailment points west of Goldhawk Road. I hope this doesn't happen but is there a possibly that the road layout could be changed? I'm just thinking that the 19 failed a test but now it's fine so maybe same could happen to the 94 or would that be too complicated. I think its unlikely, because the mini-roundabouts would be hard for LTs to navigate. I think that if the road were widened, this would prevent LTs mounting the curb when attempting to make these turns. The other issue is the tight turns at the Acton Green stand, which would be pain to alter to accommodate LTs so I think it would be too much hassle.
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Post by E279 on Oct 22, 2019 17:20:04 GMT
I mean honestly, I just picked a random OME (2653, YJ19HVD was the one I chose) and put it into LVF history you’ll see how much time it spends in service, or rather not. Did you actually check LVF? The OME you picked (OME2653) has actually worked for 20 consecutive days!! The last day it didn’t go out in service was 2/10. It even did Sundays as well Appears you've found one of the only examples that’s doing okay. 😂
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Post by rj131 on Oct 22, 2019 17:29:13 GMT
I mean honestly, I just picked a random OME (2653, YJ19HVD was the one I chose) and put it into LVF history you’ll see how much time it spends in service, or rather not. Did you actually check LVF? The OME you picked (OME2653) has actually worked for 20 consecutive days!! The last day it didn’t go out in service was 2/10. It even did Sundays as well Yes of course, I meant to draw attention how little it actually makes it throughout the whole day. Which it doesn’t manage too often. So out of the 63 full days it’s been in service: (entered service on 19/8 which I’ve not counted as it entered service in the afternoon, and today 22/10 I’ve also not counted as today is obviously still going) OME2563 YJ19HVD
Full days in service* | 16 | Not in service at all | 20 | Part day’s service** | 27 |
*By a full day I mean by approximately 12 hours service or more, generally from 0800-2200.
**A day where it’s finished service early or entered service much later in the day, presumably either because of developing a fault or insufficient charge.
Lets compare this to the BDE I selected under the same conditions on its first 63 full days in service, that being 2/7 to 2/9. I selected its first 63 days rather than just the same dates as I wanted to make it fairer on the teething issues front.
BDE2618 LJ19CUG
Full days in service | 42 | Not in service at all | 15 | Part day’s service | 6 |
Having managed nearly three times more full days in service without a hitch, I think the tables speak for themselves
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Post by vjaska on Oct 22, 2019 18:07:13 GMT
Can we stop guessing about the OME’s please because it’s information that hasn’t been confirmed yet it seems to be posted in the style of it actually being confirmed. No one knows whether they are developing faults or not and it’s beginning to sound like people want these buses to fail.
The facts are that they are clearly capable of doing multiple days of service as proved by the example shown on the previous page, that they have the same range as the BDE’s as per the spec sheets for both buses and that they were further behind in terms of arriving and all the checks needed before entering service hence their slower conversion.
Can’t believe me of all people having to defend a type of a bus I’m not a fan of (electric buses don’t interest me as much)
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Post by kmkcheng on Oct 22, 2019 18:16:19 GMT
Did you actually check LVF? The OME you picked (OME2653) has actually worked for 20 consecutive days!! The last day it didn’t go out in service was 2/10. It even did Sundays as well Yes of course, I meant to draw attention how little it actually makes it throughout the whole day. Which it doesn’t manage too often. So out of the 63 full days it’s been in service: (entered service on 19/8 which I’ve not counted as it entered service in the afternoon, and today 22/10 I’ve also not counted as today is obviously still going) OME2563 YJ19HVD
Full days in service* | 16 | Not in service at all | 20 | Part day’s service** | 27 |
*By a full day I mean by approximately 12 hours service or more, generally from 0800-2200.
**A day where it’s finished service early or entered service much later in the day, presumably either because of developing a fault or insufficient charge.
Lets compare this to the BDE I selected under the same conditions on its first 63 full days in service, that being 2/7 to 2/9. I selected its first 63 days rather than just the same dates as I wanted to make it fairer on the teething issues front.
BDE2618 LJ19CUG
Full days in service | 42 | Not in service at all | 15 | Part day’s service | 6 |
Having managed nearly three times more full days in service without a hitch, I think the tables speak for themselves I accept what you point out that BDEs are more likely to see full day service compared to OME. But what you are assuming is that OMEs are not seeing full day service because of the charge but this may not always be the case. The schedules between 43 and 134 are completely different. The 43 changes drivers in the middle of its journey so a bus will more likely to stay out the whole day as the new driver will take over the same bus. Some of the 134 drivers takes their break or finish their shift by running light back to PB. This means the same driver may not necessary take the same bus out. This is also the case for a new driver starting their shift who may take a different bus out to start. Edit: one other thing I should point out is LVF is not perfect. You can’t assume a bus did a full day service because LVF says so as it merges logins if a bus goes out more than once on the same route on the same day. If a bus goes out on a route between 7am and 10am then back to the garage, then it goes back out again on the same route between 6pm to 9pm, LVF registers it as gone out the whole day between 7am to 9pm
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 19:31:56 GMT
Yes of course, I meant to draw attention how little it actually makes it throughout the whole day. Which it doesn’t manage too often. So out of the 63 full days it’s been in service: (entered service on 19/8 which I’ve not counted as it entered service in the afternoon, and today 22/10 I’ve also not counted as today is obviously still going) OME2563 YJ19HVD
Full days in service* | 16 | Not in service at all | 20 | Part day’s service** | 27 |
*By a full day I mean by approximately 12 hours service or more, generally from 0800-2200.
**A day where it’s finished service early or entered service much later in the day, presumably either because of developing a fault or insufficient charge.
Lets compare this to the BDE I selected under the same conditions on its first 63 full days in service, that being 2/7 to 2/9. I selected its first 63 days rather than just the same dates as I wanted to make it fairer on the teething issues front.
BDE2618 LJ19CUG
Full days in service | 42 | Not in service at all | 15 | Part day’s service | 6 |
Having managed nearly three times more full days in service without a hitch, I think the tables speak for themselves I accept what you point out that BDEs are more likely to see full day service compared to OME. But what you are assuming is that OMEs are not seeing full day service because of the charge but this may not always be the case. The schedules between 43 and 134 are completely different. The 43 changes drivers in the middle of its journey so a bus will more likely to stay out the whole day as the new driver will take over the same bus. Some of the 134 drivers takes their break or finish their shift by running light back to PB. This means the same driver may not necessary take the same bus out. This is also the case for a new driver starting their shift who may take a different bus out to start. Edit: one other thing I should point out is LVF is not perfect. You can’t assume a bus did a full day service because LVF says so as it merges logins if a bus goes out more than once on the same route on the same day. If a bus goes out on a route between 7am and 10am then back to the garage, then it goes back out again on the same route between 6pm to 9pm, LVF registers it as gone out the whole day between 7am to 9pm Please don't spoil the conspiracy with such sensible posts
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Oct 22, 2019 20:15:07 GMT
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 22, 2019 20:15:07 GMT
What will happen to the remaining DE13s from the 214, DE1170 and the DE11s from the 234 once it's converted back to DEMs?
Would the DE11s (bar 1151) go to G to fill in the remainder of the E6 allocation. Would DE1151 and the remaining DE13s go to W to replace the DE8s?
Also what's happening with the 393 DELs
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Oct 22, 2019 20:19:16 GMT
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Post by COBO on Oct 22, 2019 20:19:16 GMT
What a shame that the DEs couldn’t stay on the 234.
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Post by E279 on Oct 22, 2019 20:19:22 GMT
What will happen to the remaining DE13s from the 214, DE1170 and the DE11s from the 234 once it's converted back to DEMs? Would the DE11s (bar 1151) go to G to fill in the remainder of the E6 allocation. Would DE1151 and the remaining DE13s go to W to replace the DE8s? Also what's happening with the 393 DELs Has it been confirmed that the 234 is going to go back to DEM operation? I do not recall reading anything. The 393s DELs were likely given back to ADL a trade for the newer correct sized buses. Also the newer DEs at PB are allocated to the 491 not the 234. The 491 was awarded last year with 11/12 reg E200s.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 22, 2019 21:09:44 GMT
What will happen to the remaining DE13s from the 214, DE1170 and the DE11s from the 234 once it's converted back to DEMs? Would the DE11s (bar 1151) go to G to fill in the remainder of the E6 allocation. Would DE1151 and the remaining DE13s go to W to replace the DE8s? Also what's happening with the 393 DELs Has it been confirmed that the 234 is going to go back to DEM operation? I do not recall reading anything. The 393s DELs were likely given back to ADL a trade for the newer correct sized buses. Also the newer DEs at PB are allocated to the 491 not the 234. The 491 was awarded last year with 11/12 reg E200s. I believe there are some that are not on the 491, those being DE1170 and DE1325 and 2 others.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 22, 2019 21:50:01 GMT
What will happen to the remaining DE13s from the 214, DE1170 and the DE11s from the 234 once it's converted back to DEMs? Would the DE11s (bar 1151) go to G to fill in the remainder of the E6 allocation. Would DE1151 and the remaining DE13s go to W to replace the DE8s? Also what's happening with the 393 DELs There has been no confirmation of the 234 going back to DEM's AFAIK but sadly, that wouldn't surprise me if it did happen. I suspect G will receive more DE's to continue the removal of ex First examples from the E6 and I can also see more going into UX for the same reason
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Metroline
Oct 23, 2019 7:43:03 GMT
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 23, 2019 7:43:03 GMT
What will happen to the remaining DE13s from the 214, DE1170 and the DE11s from the 234 once it's converted back to DEMs? Would the DE11s (bar 1151) go to G to fill in the remainder of the E6 allocation. Would DE1151 and the remaining DE13s go to W to replace the DE8s? Also what's happening with the 393 DELs There has been no confirmation of the 234 going back to DEM's AFAIK but sadly, that wouldn't surprise me if it did happen. I suspect G will receive more DE's to continue the removal of ex First examples from the E6 and I can also see more going into UX for the same reason yeah I did think the DEs would go to G to replace more on the E6 but the 09 reg are replacing the leased 10 reg. I'm presuming the DE1583-1664 aren't leased?
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Post by E279 on Oct 23, 2019 11:32:13 GMT
5 TMP DEMs on the 393 now, 1 not in service was seen yesterday but wasn't given a reg. That brings the total to 11/16 in service.
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Oct 23, 2019 12:28:43 GMT
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Post by WSD3 on Oct 23, 2019 12:28:43 GMT
5 TMP DEMs on the 393 now, 1 not in service was seen yesterday but wasn't given a reg. That brings the total to 11/16 in service. now another one has entered
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