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Post by kmkcheng on Jan 19, 2020 19:17:27 GMT
Is there any reason why the 113 hasn't been consolidated into a 24-hour route? Surely if both termini are the same at all times it would make sense to do this? It doesnβt have the same terminus as N113 continues beyond Oxford Circus to Trafalgar Square.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 20:49:52 GMT
Is there any reason why the 113 hasn't been consolidated into a 24-hour route? Surely if both termini are the same at all times it would make sense to do this? It doesnβt have the same terminus as N113 continues beyond Oxford Circus to Trafalgar Square. Ah my mistake! I don't know why I said that
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Post by foxhat on Jan 21, 2020 16:51:50 GMT
The last BDE, BDE2613 is now in service.
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Post by rj131 on Jan 21, 2020 16:57:30 GMT
The last BDE, BDE2613 is now in service. ππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππ Dunno what was gonna come first, all the BDEs entering service or Christmas 2070!!!! now we sit and wait to the OMEs to lumber into service. Now this really may take until 2070 looooool
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Post by VWH1414 on Jan 21, 2020 17:04:26 GMT
The last BDE, BDE2613 is now in service. ππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππ Dunno what was gonna come first, all the BDEs entering service or Christmas 2070!!!! now we sit and wait to the OMEs to lumber into service. Now this really may take until 2070 looooool Tbf BDE2613 was only delivered this month - was previously used as a test bed by ADL - Hence why it took so long to be delivered.
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Post by WSD3 on Jan 21, 2020 21:57:51 GMT
12/19 OME's in service today.
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Post by E279 on Jan 21, 2020 22:34:01 GMT
Metroline seemingly also have got the night service up to 3 BDEs per night now out of the 4 that run. I recon by the end of January, the 43/N43 will be souly ran by BDEs apart from the odd occasions where a VWH is needed. I also think we could potentially see BDEs stray in future however not on a regular basis.
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Post by rj131 on Jan 21, 2020 22:44:02 GMT
ππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππ Dunno what was gonna come first, all the BDEs entering service or Christmas 2070!!!! now we sit and wait to the OMEs to lumber into service. Now this really may take until 2070 looooool Tbf BDE2613 was only delivered this month - was previously used as a test bed by ADL - Hence why it took so long to be delivered. Yes it was, I knew about that I think it was you or someone else who said it last week or so? Either way even excluding that one the other 36 were very slow entering service, was a very long process. The new technology and ironing out little issues here and there probably played a factor Metroline are still generally very slow at getting new kit in service. Iβm sure they had their reasons for it but if I was in charge of that sort of thing Iβd be well excited to show it off as soon as possible, Iβd deffo have a more Go-Ahead approach I think
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Post by E279 on Jan 21, 2020 22:51:13 GMT
Tbf BDE2613 was only delivered this month - was previously used as a test bed by ADL - Hence why it took so long to be delivered. Yes it was, I knew about that I think it was you or someone else who said it last week or so? Either way even excluding that one the other 36 were very slow entering service, was a very long process. The new technology and ironing out little issues here and there probably played a factor Metroline are still generally very slow at getting new kit in service. Iβm sure they had their reasons for it but if I was in charge of that sort of thing Iβd be well excited to show it off as soon as possible, Iβd deffo have a more Go-Ahead approach I think I could be completely wrong here but I feel the BDEs would have entered service a lot quicker (except 13) if they had been with another company as Metroline appear to usually take longer with vehicle introductions and transfers for that matter whereas others like GAL have the approach of getting it all in service ASAP which I have to hand it to them does work as the buses are generally all set up and ready to go. I think weβll see the BYD Cities for NP and RATP ones enter service quickly.
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Post by VWH1414 on Jan 21, 2020 22:57:00 GMT
Tbf BDE2613 was only delivered this month - was previously used as a test bed by ADL - Hence why it took so long to be delivered. Yes it was, I knew about that I think it was you or someone else who said it last week or so? Either way even excluding that one the other 36 were very slow entering service, was a very long process. The new technology and ironing out little issues here and there probably played a factor Metroline are still generally very slow at getting new kit in service. Iβm sure they had their reasons for it but if I was in charge of that sort of thing Iβd be well excited to show it off as soon as possible, Iβd deffo have a more Go-Ahead approach I think Generally there is a reason for their stock entering service late - of course these are the first electric DDs, so pretty much would've always been slower then a regular batch of buses - Although they weren't too slow to get the first lot, it was more the last 10-12 where it slowed down a bit more considerably. As for the OMEs we all know why they are taking so long to enter service . With GAL though, the only reason they got the SEes into service so quick is because they have experience, having over 100 of them now. Metroline in a lot of cases have had issues - e.g. the BELs were delayed by over half a year because of issues sorting out charging infrastructure at HT, though once they started entering service it was a fairly quick process. With standard batches also the AC VWHs took ages getting into service because of issues with the batch, so whilst I agree to some extent about Metroline being a bit slow getting buses into service - there seems to be a lot of external factors that can also affect how quickly they get into service, so its not always their fault . Right now I'm just waiting for them to get the type training for the DELs done so the 324 can get nice fresh DELs, and for once I can have a route I regularly use, using E200MMCs .
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Post by vjaska on Jan 22, 2020 0:30:07 GMT
Yes it was, I knew about that I think it was you or someone else who said it last week or so? Either way even excluding that one the other 36 were very slow entering service, was a very long process. The new technology and ironing out little issues here and there probably played a factor Metroline are still generally very slow at getting new kit in service. Iβm sure they had their reasons for it but if I was in charge of that sort of thing Iβd be well excited to show it off as soon as possible, Iβd deffo have a more Go-Ahead approach I think As for the OMEs we all know why they are taking so long to enter service We don't - all we have are endless rumours & speculation about what might be the issue which personally creates a feeling that people want the type to fail when really, we should all want a number of different types to do well because if we end up with just one successful type that everyone orders and later on, problems arise with the said type, then it becomes very problematic indeed. Single decker wise, we currently have just one successful type hopefully with the Caetano model joining the ADL BYD model and making it two. Fingers crossed Yutong can get a slice of the action as well.
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Post by rebbelhead on Jan 22, 2020 10:05:03 GMT
As for the OMEs we all know why they are taking so long to enter service We don't - all we have are endless rumours & speculation about what might be the issue which personally creates a feeling that people want the type to fail when really, we should all want a number of different types to do well because if we end up with just one successful type that everyone orders and later on, problems arise with the said type, then it becomes very problematic indeed. Single decker wise, we currently have just one successful type hopefully with the Caetano model joining the ADL BYD model and making it two. Fingers crossed Yutong can get a slice of the action as well. Well Mr VP500 I for one don't have a clue - would you care to enlighten us please?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 22, 2020 11:41:40 GMT
As for the OMEs we all know why they are taking so long to enter service We don't - all we have are endless rumours & speculation about what might be the issue which personally creates a feeling that people want the type to fail when really, we should all want a number of different types to do well because if we end up with just one successful type that everyone orders and later on, problems arise with the said type, then it becomes very problematic indeed. Single decker wise, we currently have just one successful type hopefully with the Caetano model joining the ADL BYD model and making it two. Fingers crossed Yutong can get a slice of the action as well. I have a good feeling about the Yutong for the potential 312 top up order, Arriva seem to have faith in them elsewhere in the country so it'll be interesting to see what they opt for here.
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Post by 15002 on Jan 22, 2020 11:45:17 GMT
Tbf BDE2613 was only delivered this month - was previously used as a test bed by ADL - Hence why it took so long to be delivered.Β Yes it was, I knew about that I think it was you or someone else who said it last week or so? Either way even excluding that one the other 36 were very slow entering service, was a very long process. The new technology and ironing out little issues here and there probably played a factor Metroline are still generally very slow at getting new kit in service. Iβm sure they had their reasons for it but if I was in charge of that sort of thing Iβd be well excited to show it off as soon as possible, Iβd deffo have a more Go-Ahead approach I think Wasnβt the 507 and 521 electric batch slow as well? I could be misremembering it but I remember it taking a few months for them to have a full batch of electrics in service for it. Feel free to correct me.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 22, 2020 11:56:59 GMT
Yes it was, I knew about that I think it was you or someone else who said it last week or so? Either way even excluding that one the other 36 were very slow entering service, was a very long process. The new technology and ironing out little issues here and there probably played a factor Metroline are still generally very slow at getting new kit in service. Iβm sure they had their reasons for it but if I was in charge of that sort of thing Iβd be well excited to show it off as soon as possible, Iβd deffo have a more Go-Ahead approach I think Wasnβt the 507 and 521 electric batch slow as well? I could be misremembering it but I remember it taking a few months for them to have a full batch of electrics in service for it. Feel free to correct me. Yep, the conversion of those three routes took three months. However all subsequent conversions were carried out quite quickly. I don't think you can beat around the bush when it comes to Metroline introducing buses, it took almost a year for ACs VWHs to enter service and I believe it took almost 6 months for the 140 and 182 to convert. Also can't forget the delay the 332s buses had of almost three months from delivery too, and the 112s buses also took an extended time to enter service following delivery. I think Metroline adopt the policy that if there's no immediate rush to introduce the buses then there simply is no point rushing, remember unlike many other London operators they don't have a vast portfolio of provincial work to just dump their London cast offs on like many other operators do. They probably also need to work out where to store all the buses as they come off routes and they'll probably need to work out a long term plan before that either to help work out tax and insurance issues on the freed buses. Metroline also don't seem to outright own their buses rather than leasing them which means that they can't just be sent back to the lessor afterwords.
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