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Post by george on Jan 27, 2020 20:14:35 GMT
MEC51 is still a fairly new bus and a good bus as well so I can see GAL keeping it. They may keep it but I can't see them going so because of the sad memories it holdsĀ In my opinion holding onto a bus that was involved in a fatal accident is not the best way to remember someone.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 27, 2020 20:44:43 GMT
They may keep it but I can't see them going so because of the sad memories it holds In my opinion holding onto a bus that was involved in a fatal accident is not the best way to remember someone. Some buses that have been involved in fatal accidents have been returned to service though, not sure if there have been in London but in other parts of the country certainly. Quite often they are given a new identity though, which is likely to be what MEC51 will have if it does return. There was also a Class 91 locomotive that was involved in two fatal accidents in Hatfield and Great Heck. Although the loco was undamaged, it was renumbered when it went for its overhaul and it was only withdrawn from service last week
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Post by vjaska on Jan 27, 2020 21:21:51 GMT
For anyone wondering where 170 and MEC51 are, they are still both parked up in the metropolitan police vehicle pound in Charlton. MEC51 looks easily repairable but 170 is in a bad way and not sure given the circumstances go ahead would put it back on the road. MEC51 is still a fairly new bus and a good bus as well so I can see GAL keeping it. MEC51 is still a fairly new bus and a good bus as well so I can see GAL keeping it. I think it depends on what the future use will be for the rest of the 65reg MEC batch, with the 358 due to receieve new electrics. The 108 has been suggested to receive them, replacing the older 09reg MECs, but the 65reg batch is 2 vehicles short for the 108's allocation. Perhaps Go Ahead might decide to use these MECs outside of London somewhere, in which case it would be worth repairing and keeping MEC51. MEC51 is still a fairly new bus and a good bus as well so I can see GAL keeping it. They may keep it but I can't see them going so because of the sad memories it holds It's not as straight forward as that - in most cases, the value of the vehicle is weighed up against the cost of repairs and if repairs cost more than the actual value of the vehicle, then it's not worth keeping. There have been trains & buses that have returned to service involved in tragic incidents before such as the Northern Line carriage involved in the 7/7 bombings and the DAF DB250 at DT that was re-registered as it passed by the victim's family home
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Post by richard on Jan 27, 2020 21:54:47 GMT
MEC51 is still a fairly new bus and a good bus as well so I can see GAL keeping it. I think it depends on what the future use will be for the rest of the 65reg MEC batch, with the 358 due to receieve new electrics. The 108 has been suggested to receive them, replacing the older 09reg MECs, but the 65reg batch is 2 vehicles short for the 108's allocation. Perhaps Go Ahead might decide to use these MECs outside of London somewhere, in which case it would be worth repairing and keeping MEC51. They may keep it but I can't see them going so because of the sad memories it holds It's not as straight forward as that - in most cases, the value of the vehicle is weighed up against the cost of repairs and if repairs cost more than the actual value of the vehicle, then it's not worth keeping. There have been trains & buses that have returned to service involved in tragic incidents before such as the Northern Line carriage involved in the 7/7 bombings and the DAF DB250 at DT that was re-registered as it passed by the victim's family home What incident was the DAF involved in?
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Post by londonbusboy on Jan 27, 2020 23:49:11 GMT
If MEC51 were to return under a new identity it would be easy to tell as you cannot register a vehicle newer than what it was. It could be say LX65 JUU and we would still know.
Im sure the fate of it will fall down to Mercedes and the insurers as Mercedes own the batch.
In slightly different news MEC53 was towed away today to Coventry after the engine blew a hole
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 27, 2020 23:54:00 GMT
In my opinion holding onto a bus that was involved in a fatal accident is not the best way to remember someone. Some buses that have been involved in fatal accidents have been returned to service though, not sure if there have been in London but in other parts of the country certainly. Quite often they are given a new identity though, which is likely to be what MEC51 will have if it does return. There was also a Class 91 locomotive that was involved in two fatal accidents in Hatfield and Great Heck. Although the loco was undamaged, it was renumbered when it went for its overhaul and it was only withdrawn from service last week Many years back a Stagecoach ALX200 Dart was involved in a fatal accident on the 269 at Bexleyheath, while running from TB. That bus was repaired, but never ran from TB again - it was transferred to far off NS.
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 27, 2020 23:56:30 GMT
If MEC51 were to return under a new identity it would be easy to tell as you cannot register a vehicle newer than what it was. It could be say LX65 JUU and we would still know. Im sure the fate of it will fall down to Mercedes and the insurers as Mercedes own the batch. In slightly different news MEC53 was towed away today to Coventry after the engine blew a hole If Mercedes own the batch, they will not be sentimental about it ... the balance sheet is all important at the end of the day.
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Post by londonbusboy on Jan 28, 2020 0:11:03 GMT
It's not as straight forward as that - in most cases, the value of the vehicle is weighed up against the cost of repairs and if repairs cost more than the actual value of the vehicle, then it's not worth keeping. There have been trains & buses that have returned to service involved in tragic incidents before such as the Northern Line carriage involved in the 7/7 bombings and the DAF DB250 at DT that was re-registered as it passed by the victim's family home What incident was the DAF involved in? head on with a car at Eltham Fiveways IIRC
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Post by M1104 on Jan 28, 2020 10:36:30 GMT
There have been trains & buses that have returned to service involved in tragic incidents before such as the Northern Line carriage involved in the 7/7 bombings and the DAF DB250 at DT that was re-registered as it passed by the victim's family home Wasn't the carriage involved in that incident on the Piccadilly Line?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 28, 2020 10:44:05 GMT
There have been trains & buses that have returned to service involved in tragic incidents before such as the Northern Line carriage involved in the 7/7 bombings and the DAF DB250 at DT that was re-registered as it passed by the victim's family home Wasn't the carriage involved in that incident on the Piccadilly Line? Sorry, instead of 7/7, meant 21/7 when the person was shot at Stockwell on a Northern Line train
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Post by bustavane on Jan 28, 2020 10:51:06 GMT
What incident was the DAF involved in? head on with a car at Eltham Fiveways IIRC significant because the van driver who died was a bus driver on his way home on his last day before retirement.
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Post by richard on Jan 28, 2020 13:44:15 GMT
Wasn't the carriage involved in that incident on the Piccadilly Line? Sorry, instead of 7/7, meant 21/7 when the person was shot at Stockwell on a Northern Line train The 21st July was the attempted bombings the Brazilian who got shot happened the day after on the 22nd
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Post by busboy17 on Jan 28, 2020 14:13:32 GMT
WVL461 has been in a crash in woolwich with an enviro 400 in woolwich ( couldn't really see the second bus)
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Post by bustavane on Jan 28, 2020 16:42:14 GMT
WVL461 has been in a crash in woolwich with an enviro 400 in woolwich ( couldn't really see the second bus) Looks like it may have been E264 on the 291. That's now VOR on LVF, and both vehicles stopped tracking at 14.20
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Post by barrypotter on Jan 28, 2020 19:16:27 GMT
Some buses that have been involved in fatal accidents have been returned to service though, not sure if there have been in London but in other parts of the country certainly. Quite often they are given a new identity though, which is likely to be what MEC51 will have if it does return. There was also a Class 91 locomotive that was involved in two fatal accidents in Hatfield and Great Heck. Although the loco was undamaged, it was renumbered when it went for its overhaul and it was only withdrawn from service last week Many years back a Stagecoach ALX200 Dart was involved in a fatal accident on the 269 at Bexleyheath, while running from TB. That bus was repaired, but never ran from TB again - it was transferred to far off NS. Please feel free to correct me if I have the wrong end of the stick here. Back in 2004 there was a fatal accident within First's Uxbridge garage, involving a DMC. Checking on Ian's Bus Stop 41527 was swapped with Rainham's 41522 a few months later (he quotes unknown reason). I seem to recall that this happened in order to remove that bus from Uxbridge.
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