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Post by abellion on May 2, 2024 17:12:24 GMT
Absolutely not the way to go about it, fine the operators rather than inconveniencing the passengers. At some garages, only a few mechanics are allowed to reblind a bus as aligning the blinds is a difficult job and is often the reason you will see ripped blinds on at least one bus from any garage. Some buses have blindboxes in hard to access places I believe the StreetLites are the worst. Also ordering new blinds from McKenna can take a while. Hence it shouldn't warrant a bus being kept off the road for that time period as long as there is some form of legible paper displaying the details. That's my point, hit the operators in the pocket and they'll soon do something about it. You are still inconveniencing passengers for no reason with that suggestion. It would be unbelievably stupid to have a gap on the 493 just because a 61reg is suddenly not allowed because it would use a paper blind… a lot of blind issues are minor and will have paper replacements, there is no reason to take the whole bus out of service and cause gaps and crowding just because of one blank destination or number.
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Post by SILENCED on May 2, 2024 17:25:52 GMT
That's my point, hit the operators in the pocket and they'll soon do something about it. You are still inconveniencing passengers for no reason with that suggestion. It would be unbelievably stupid to have a gap on the 493 just because a 61reg is suddenly not allowed because it would use a paper blind… a lot of blind issues are minor and will have paper replacements, there is no reason to take the whole bus out of service and cause gaps and crowding just because of one blank destination or number. There were ramp issues. Operators got hit with the big stick, and ramp issues went away. Now there are blind issues. If they are hit with the big stick, then likewise the issue should go away, so would not cause gaps. At the moment there is not a person whose is focused on sorting the issue as it costs them nothing, so it does not get fixed. All garages would need to do is ensure they had sufficient stock of spare blinds for the buses they operate, or take out the magical fairy blind contract. After that they should look at buses that shake their ass off on idle!
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Post by greenboy on May 2, 2024 17:27:20 GMT
That's my point, hit the operators in the pocket and they'll soon do something about it. You are still inconveniencing passengers for no reason with that suggestion. It would be unbelievably stupid to have a gap on the 493 just because a 61reg is suddenly not allowed because it would use a paper blind… a lot of blind issues are minor and will have paper replacements, there is no reason to take the whole bus out of service and cause gaps and crowding just because of one blank destination or number. And how long would that situation last? If TfL gave a few weeks notice I suspect all buses would be displaying route and destination before the rule started anyway. Would it be equally stupid to have a gap on the 493 because the wheelchair ramp wasn't working even though the chances are that nobody would need it?
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Post by cl54 on May 2, 2024 18:22:25 GMT
I would say TfL is partially to blame as they don't seem to be putting their foot down on this issue like they 'eventually' did years ago with the abundance of faulty wheelchair ramps across operators And of course the rest of the country manage with manually operated wheelchair ramps which never fail. As someone else suggested TfL should make a rule that buses do not go out without the correct route number and destination displayed, initially there will be cancellations (particularly on AL routes!) but once management realise that they are paying to have buses sat in the garage all day and drivers sat in the canteen then I'm sure the problems will soon be rectified. There is no reason for TfL to make a new rule. There are a number of regulations in the Disability Discrimination Act which buses must comply with. If any of these can't be met the bus must not go on the road. If a defect happens in service the vehicle must be swapped at the earliest opportunity.
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Post by greenboy on May 2, 2024 18:48:10 GMT
And of course the rest of the country manage with manually operated wheelchair ramps which never fail. As someone else suggested TfL should make a rule that buses do not go out without the correct route number and destination displayed, initially there will be cancellations (particularly on AL routes!) but once management realise that they are paying to have buses sat in the garage all day and drivers sat in the canteen then I'm sure the problems will soon be rectified. There is no reason for TfL to make a new rule. There are a number of regulations in the Disability Discrimination Act which buses must comply with. If any of these can't be met the bus must not go on the road. If a defect happens in service the vehicle must be swapped at the earliest opportunity. I would have thought a route number and destination should be a minimum requirement but clearly that's not happening in some cases.
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Post by rm1422 on May 2, 2024 20:01:33 GMT
Looks as if the 39 is finally starting to go electric. I spotted SEe221e Putney Bridge bound this afternoon and it's still out there on the 39 tonight.
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Post by vjaska on May 2, 2024 21:40:18 GMT
You are still inconveniencing passengers for no reason with that suggestion. It would be unbelievably stupid to have a gap on the 493 just because a 61reg is suddenly not allowed because it would use a paper blind… a lot of blind issues are minor and will have paper replacements, there is no reason to take the whole bus out of service and cause gaps and crowding just because of one blank destination or number. There were ramp issues. Operators got hit with the big stick, and ramp issues went away. Now there are blind issues. If they are hit with the big stick, then likewise the issue should go away, so would not cause gaps. At the moment there is not a person whose is focused on sorting the issue as it costs them nothing, so it does not get fixed. All garages would need to do is ensure they had sufficient stock of spare blinds for the buses they operate, or take out the magical fairy blind contract. After that they should look at buses that shake their ass off on idle! Are we really doing this daft comparison again? A ramp issue is rather more significant than an issue with the blinds because you can stick paper blinds in a bus but you can’t stick a temporary ramp in. Oh and this issue exists outside London particularly with buses that have older LED’s.
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Post by SILENCED on May 2, 2024 21:53:21 GMT
There were ramp issues. Operators got hit with the big stick, and ramp issues went away. Now there are blind issues. If they are hit with the big stick, then likewise the issue should go away, so would not cause gaps. At the moment there is not a person whose is focused on sorting the issue as it costs them nothing, so it does not get fixed. All garages would need to do is ensure they had sufficient stock of spare blinds for the buses they operate, or take out the magical fairy blind contract. After that they should look at buses that shake their ass off on idle! Are we really doing this daft comparison again? A ramp issue is rather more significant than an issue with the blinds because you can stick paper blinds in a bus but you can’t stick a temporary ramp in. Oh and this issue exists outside London particularly with buses that have older LED’s. Sorry, not sure how that is classified as daft as it seems pretty basic and elementary to me. Outside of London they have manual ramps, so zero failure. OK there maybe odd LED failures outside London, but nothing to he extent we are seeing in London!
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Post by southlondon413 on May 2, 2024 22:27:48 GMT
Are we really doing this daft comparison again? A ramp issue is rather more significant than an issue with the blinds because you can stick paper blinds in a bus but you can’t stick a temporary ramp in. Oh and this issue exists outside London particularly with buses that have older LED’s. Sorry, not sure how that is classified as daft as it seems pretty basic and elementary to me. Outside of London they have manual ramps, so zero failure. OK there maybe odd LED failures outside London, but nothing to he extent we are seeing in London! How many LED failures are you personally aware of? From where I’m sitting it seems like the same individuals are talking about a handful of buses against a fleet of thousands. Can you 100% guarantee that the amount of LED failures outside of London is less than in London, beucase that’s a pretty bold statement to make.
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Post by cl54 on May 2, 2024 23:10:10 GMT
Sorry, not sure how that is classified as daft as it seems pretty basic and elementary to me. Outside of London they have manual ramps, so zero failure. OK there maybe odd LED failures outside London, but nothing to he extent we are seeing in London! How many LED failures are you personally aware of? From where I’m sitting it seems like the same individuals are talking about a handful of buses against a fleet of thousands. Can you 100% guarantee that the amount of LED failures outside of London is less than in London, beucase that’s a pretty bold statement to make. There aren't thousands of buses in London with LED displays. If manual wheelchair ramps were used in London the delays to buses would be significant. It is one of the big achievements that all buses in the capital must have working ramps.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 2, 2024 23:24:28 GMT
How many LED failures are you personally aware of? From where I’m sitting it seems like the same individuals are talking about a handful of buses against a fleet of thousands. Can you 100% guarantee that the amount of LED failures outside of London is less than in London, beucase that’s a pretty bold statement to make. There aren't thousands of buses in London with LED displays. If manual wheelchair ramps were used in London the delays to buses would be significant. It is one of the big achievements that all buses in the capital must have working ramps. I didn’t say there were thousands of LED displays, reread what I wrote. It’s a small number within a small number within a fleet of thousands. I also made no reference to manual ramps.
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Post by greenboy on May 3, 2024 6:37:03 GMT
How many LED failures are you personally aware of? From where I’m sitting it seems like the same individuals are talking about a handful of buses against a fleet of thousands. Can you 100% guarantee that the amount of LED failures outside of London is less than in London, beucase that’s a pretty bold statement to make. There aren't thousands of buses in London with LED displays. If manual wheelchair ramps were used in London the delays to buses would be significant. It is one of the big achievements that all buses in the capital must have working ramps. You're joking? Manually operated wheelchair ramps are actually far quicker to use than the electronic version which might be working when the bus leaves the garage but that's no guarantee it'll still be working when needed.
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Post by cl54 on May 3, 2024 7:58:23 GMT
There aren't thousands of buses in London with LED displays. If manual wheelchair ramps were used in London the delays to buses would be significant. It is one of the big achievements that all buses in the capital must have working ramps. You're joking? Manually operated wheelchair ramps are actually far quicker to use than the electronic version which might be working when the bus leaves the garage but that's no guarantee it'll still be working when needed. Easy on single door buses not on the centre door.
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Post by SILENCED on May 3, 2024 8:24:32 GMT
Sorry, not sure how that is classified as daft as it seems pretty basic and elementary to me. Outside of London they have manual ramps, so zero failure. OK there maybe odd LED failures outside London, but nothing to he extent we are seeing in London! How many LED failures are you personally aware of? From where I’m sitting it seems like the same individuals are talking about a handful of buses against a fleet of thousands. Can you 100% guarantee that the amount of LED failures outside of London is less than in London, beucase that’s a pretty bold statement to make. I am not saying that. Saying LED failure rates outside London is far lowered than failure to display 'conventional blinds' in London. Not denying LED panels do not fail, but nowhere near to be extent we are seeing bastardised displays in London.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 3, 2024 8:26:48 GMT
How many LED failures are you personally aware of? From where I’m sitting it seems like the same individuals are talking about a handful of buses against a fleet of thousands. Can you 100% guarantee that the amount of LED failures outside of London is less than in London, beucase that’s a pretty bold statement to make. I am not saying that. Saying LED failure rates outside London is far lowered than failure to display 'conventional blinds' in London. Not denying LED panels do not fail, but nowhere near to be extent we are seeing bastardised displays in London. Respectfully you can’t say that for definite. You are only going based on what you see with your own eyes or what someone posts here or elsewhere. There is no way to verify your assertion.
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