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Post by Busboy105 on May 12, 2024 22:53:45 GMT
London itself isn't 24 hour so why should the trains be all day 24 hour? How is London not 24hr? Literally in Central London there are places open 24/7! Not that many compared to other European cities
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 12, 2024 23:11:57 GMT
More than the Superloop I really hope the tube running all night is expanded to 7 days a week (I may be asking for too much)! It really helps commute around our city much faster. I hope not, the tube isn't doing too well with maintenance already. Weekend night tube means that if something needs fixing and is found on Friday they can't get to it till Monday night. Or if very urgent... as happened Sunday early morning on the Victoria Line, night tube is disrupted for the repairs to occur.
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Post by enviroPB on May 13, 2024 0:14:45 GMT
How is London not 24hr? Literally in Central London there are places open 24/7! Not that many compared to other European cities There's an apt adage for this: build it and they will come. There are 3,600 more jobs and £170 million per annum more to London because of Night Tube. I'm not saying we have New York's infrastructure to have 24/7 Tube operation but there'd certainly be some demand for it.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 13, 2024 6:46:50 GMT
Not that many compared to other European cities There's an apt adage for this: build it and they will come. There are 3,600 more jobs and £170 million per annum more to London because of Night Tube. I'm not saying we have New York's infrastructure to have 24/7 Tube operation but there'd certainly be some demand for it. I think it's cost vs benefit ratio. London as a city still sleeps and any night life is confined to a Friday and Saturday night. The night tube only added because it runs on these two days, start it at any other time and it will probably start haemoraging money.
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Post by enviroPB on May 13, 2024 10:46:44 GMT
There's an apt adage for this: build it and they will come. There are 3,600 more jobs and £170 million per annum more to London because of Night Tube. I'm not saying we have New York's infrastructure to have 24/7 Tube operation but there'd certainly be some demand for it. I think it's cost vs benefit ratio. London as a city still sleeps and any night life is confined to a Friday and Saturday night. The night tube only added because it runs on these two days, start it at any other time and it will probably start haemoraging money. Those metrics are simply forecasts off manipulated data; Night Tube was projected to break even in 5 years of operating but only took 18 months. There's always the argument of cost before a pioneering project, but Crossrail and the Night Tube's success make that argument a distant memory. Granted Night Tube doesn't run on the whole network, that's likely down to infrastructure issues more than cost benefit rationale. Again I'm not asking for the Tube to run 24/7 as I simply don't think we have the spare rail capacity like New York for all night running & sufficient engineering work to be done simultaneously. I'm just playing devil's advocate. I can think of a few cons but one place to benefit from a 24/7 Tube would be Heathrow with the Piccadilly line. Luton and Gatwick airports certainly aren't suffering from a 24 hour Thameslink service.
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Post by COBO on May 13, 2024 14:15:36 GMT
It’s past 12th May and the E6 hasn’t returned to Greenford Station. TfL site says nothing about the E6 or when it returns to Greenford Station. It shows going between Bull’s Bridge and Greenford Broadway.
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Post by COBO on May 13, 2024 14:15:55 GMT
It’s past 12th May and the E6 hasn’t returned to Greenford Station. TfL site says nothing about the E6 or when it returns to Greenford Station. It shows going between Bull’s Bridge and Greenford Broadway.
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Post by lonmark on May 13, 2024 14:34:54 GMT
It’s past 12th May and the E6 hasn’t returned to Greenford Station. TfL site says nothing about the E6 or when it returns to Greenford Station. It shows going between Bull’s Bridge and Greenford Broadway. That was from 2nd March: Revised temporary timetable introduced daily with service withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Greenford Station. No change to PVR. I guess it won't return to Greenford station anymore.
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Post by COBO on May 13, 2024 14:41:33 GMT
It’s past 12th May and the E6 hasn’t returned to Greenford Station. TfL site says nothing about the E6 or when it returns to Greenford Station. It shows going between Bull’s Bridge and Greenford Broadway. That was from 2nd March: Revised temporary timetable introduced daily with service withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Greenford Station. No change to PVR. I guess it won't return to Greenford station anymore. But why make a change without a consultation? Both yellow notices in the bus stops and London bus net says it was meant to temporary until 12th May 2024.
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Post by lonmark on May 13, 2024 14:42:51 GMT
That was from 2nd March: Revised temporary timetable introduced daily with service withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Greenford Station. No change to PVR. I guess it won't return to Greenford station anymore. But why make a change without a consultation? Both yellow notices in the bus stops and London bus net says it was meant to temporary until 12th May 2024. I am afraid you will have to Ask TfL or ask Metroline on here bus forum.
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Post by abellion on May 13, 2024 14:51:31 GMT
That was from 2nd March: Revised temporary timetable introduced daily with service withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Greenford Station. No change to PVR. I guess it won't return to Greenford station anymore. But why make a change without a consultation? Both yellow notices in the bus stops and London bus net says it was meant to temporary until 12th May 2024. It’s not unlike TfL, they’ve done it to the 452 recently and other routes in the past like the 8.
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Post by Busboy105 on May 13, 2024 18:00:45 GMT
But why make a change without a consultation? Both yellow notices in the bus stops and London bus net says it was meant to temporary until 12th May 2024. It’s not unlike TfL, they’ve done it to the 452 recently and other routes in the past like the 8. But the 452 was cut to Ladbroke Grove because of the Kensal Rise fiasco. What's the problem with the E6 continuing on to Greenford Station?
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Post by abellion on May 13, 2024 18:35:34 GMT
It’s not unlike TfL, they’ve done it to the 452 recently and other routes in the past like the 8. But the 452 was cut to Ladbroke Grove because of the Kensal Rise fiasco. What's the problem with the E6 continuing on to Greenford Station? On the 452's status alerts it (very outdatedly) states this: STATION TERRACE, NW10: Route 452 is curtailed to Ladbroke Grove Sainsburys until 02:00 on Wednesday 01 February 2023 due to congestion on the new bus stand. Buses are missing the stops from Kilburn Lane / Harrow Road to Kensal Rise Station, and from Station Terrace to Harrow Road / Kilburn Lane. So it was meant to be temporary but silently became permanent, I'm not sure what happened with the E6 but if the curtailment becomes permanent it would be a similar situation.
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 13, 2024 22:28:42 GMT
I think it's cost vs benefit ratio. London as a city still sleeps and any night life is confined to a Friday and Saturday night. The night tube only added because it runs on these two days, start it at any other time and it will probably start haemoraging money. Those metrics are simply forecasts off manipulated data; Night Tube was projected to break even in 5 years of operating but only took 18 months. There's always the argument of cost before a pioneering project, but Crossrail and the Night Tube's success make that argument a distant memory. Granted Night Tube doesn't run on the whole network, that's likely down to infrastructure issues more than cost benefit rationale. Again I'm not asking for the Tube to run 24/7 as I simply don't think we have the spare rail capacity like New York for all night running & sufficient engineering work to be done simultaneously. I'm just playing devil's advocate. I can think of a few cons but one place to benefit from a 24/7 Tube would be Heathrow with the Piccadilly line. Luton and Gatwick airports certainly aren't suffering from a 24 hour Thameslink service. Maybe once they refurbish the track as is planned on the section of Crossrail between Hayes and Harlington and Paddington they could consider 24/7 Crossrail to Heathrow.
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Post by enviroPB on May 13, 2024 22:52:52 GMT
Those metrics are simply forecasts off manipulated data; Night Tube was projected to break even in 5 years of operating but only took 18 months. There's always the argument of cost before a pioneering project, but Crossrail and the Night Tube's success make that argument a distant memory. Granted Night Tube doesn't run on the whole network, that's likely down to infrastructure issues more than cost benefit rationale. Again I'm not asking for the Tube to run 24/7 as I simply don't think we have the spare rail capacity like New York for all night running & sufficient engineering work to be done simultaneously. I'm just playing devil's advocate. I can think of a few cons but one place to benefit from a 24/7 Tube would be Heathrow with the Piccadilly line. Luton and Gatwick airports certainly aren't suffering from a 24 hour Thameslink service. Maybe once they refurbish the track as is planned on the section of Crossrail between Hayes and Harlington and Paddington they could consider 24/7 Crossrail to Heathrow. Judging by the fact Night Overground cannot run past New Cross due to TfL not owning the rails south of there, I don't think it's likely to happen. Crossrail only own track between Stratford/Abbey Wood to Westbourne Park, so are free to run trains 24/7 there. However there's enough track capacity on the GWR tracks west of Paddington, so it is entirely possible to run services out to Heathrow with agreement from National Rail. A nightly Crossrail service in the form of hourly Abbey Wood- Heathrow trains may work, though I'd imagine Stratford may fare better in custom. However seeing as there is a depot near Abbey Wood, the former option would look more attractive to TfL.
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